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DaSOB

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Howdy, y'all -

I posted a short intro in the "new members" section, so I won't re-post that info. I'm fairly new to pipe smoking and I have a few questions.

First, I've been using Dr. Grabow pipes because they're inexpensive. But I've read comments about them being "cheap", that the quality has declined over the years, etc. Personally, and maybe because I'm not a real veteran pipe smoker, I find that they seem to smoke just fine. However, I did have an issue with the neck on the stem of one pipe breaking even though I wasn't treating the pipe roughly. I glued it back together and can still use the pipe, but from some of the comments I've seen the breakage may be attributable to "cheap plastic" rather than some more robust material.

Packing the pipe - I can't seem to find a consistent sweet spot. I've tried three-layer and two-layer packing, and just simply filling the bowl and packing until it is full. Sometimes I get a really pleasant smoke, other times I have to keep re-lighting, and on many occasions the bowl gets so hot that I almost need welder's gloves to hold it.

Finally, what differentiates a "cheap" pipe, as I have seen Dr. Grabow pipes called, from an "quality" one like Peterson or Dunhill? Is it just a matter of the materials and workmanship, or do the better pipes smoke better? I've thought about getting a Peterson, but before I blow a couple of C notes on one I want to be sure that I'm getting something worth the money.

I would appreciate any input, comments or suggestions!
 

Humblepipe

Lifer
Sep 13, 2019
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First, welcome! I am glad you joined the forum. Don't take the banter on the forum regarding pipes too seriously. Just "do you". If Grabows are working for you, outstanding. As far as packing your pipe goes, getting that right consistently just takes practice. If your bowl is getting hot, it likely means your smoking too aggressively. Just slow your cadence a bit and you'll have a cooler smoke. If you can find other pipe-smokers to hang with (pipe clubs, etc), that could help accelerate your pipe smoking chops. Hang in there, it's well worth the investment.
 

proteus

Lifer
May 20, 2023
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For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice... 😃

My opinion after 30 plus years of pipe smoking is there are pipe-like objects or PLO, pipes, and art. If the draw hole is right and the chamber is formed right its a pipe. If not, its a PLO. If its a pipe and you look at it appreciate and admire its craftsmanship its art. Smoke pipes, admire art and smoke it if you want to. Chuck the PLO stuff. You'll know it when you see it. Grabows are fine enough. It don't matter unless you're a collector. Smoke em if you got em.

Packing is all by feel and a bit to do with the tobacco humidity and the pipe itself. You have to learn the tobacco and pipe and pack it by feel.

Generally pack it loose, looser than you think. I use a finger and add tobacco by dragging tobacco to the chamber from the pile like a bull is getting angry with the front hoof. Like a reverse come here motion. I dont use the thirds method. I pack looser at the bottom and tighter at the top to help make ash cake. Remember to tamp after the charring light as the tobacco likes to rise up. Tamp as you smoke it down. That's why I pack lighter at first at the bottom.

Find what works and try to remember what you did. Remember every pipe and every tobacco combination will differ a bit so you tamp to adjust.
 
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anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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Howdy, y'all -

I posted a short intro in the "new members" section, so I won't re-post that info. I'm fairly new to pipe smoking and I have a few questions.

First, I've been using Dr. Grabow pipes because they're inexpensive. But I've read comments about them being "cheap", that the quality has declined over the years, etc. Personally, and maybe because I'm not a real veteran pipe smoker, I find that they seem to smoke just fine. However, I did have an issue with the neck on the stem of one pipe breaking even though I wasn't treating the pipe roughly.

That is pretty much it. They're the only pipe I know of that I regularly hear of them having flaws. Also I just don't like their style personally. But they're serviceable and at the price point it really isn't a big deal if one breaks. Fun fact even the most expensive pipes can have duds too. In my opinion a good portion of what makes one pipe better then another is just how comfortable you are with it. If the stem is the wrong size and doesn't feel comfortable to you, the pipe won't smoke as well. The way I like putting it, is a good smoker (as far as a pipe) is one you don't have to fight with to get enjoyment. What makes it like that or not like that is a combination of the pipe and you. Though one fact is you will get more out of an o.k. pipe if you know how to smoke it well, then you will out of a magically perfect pipe smoked with poor technique.
I glued it back together and can still use the pipe, but from some of the comments I've seen the breakage may be attributable to "cheap plastic" rather than some more robust material.
Probably. And also sometimes things just break as well.
Packing the pipe - I can't seem to find a consistent sweet spot. I've tried three-layer and two-layer packing, and just simply filling the bowl and packing until it is full. Sometimes I get a really pleasant smoke, other times I have to keep re-lighting, and on many occasions the bowl gets so hot that I almost need welder's gloves to hold it.
It is kind of weird how after a while it's the kind of thing that just happens. You just get a knack for it. Takes a while. Though one thing I wish I would have learned earlier. Is there is nothing wrong with dumping a pipe and repacking it.
The two best things I can say though is that too loose is easier to fix mid smoke then too tight. So it's better to pack to loosely and tamp it as you go. The other is to take a test draw each packing step. You might still have trouble getting that sweet spot but you'll be surprised how quickly you can tell if it's packed well or not before setting flame to tobacco. Also drier tobacco is more forgiving of an overly tight pack job then moister tobacco. But really the main thing is just getting the experience.
Pipes are pretty easy but a lot of getting it right is counter intuitive.
Finally, what differentiates a "cheap" pipe, as I have seen Dr. Grabow pipes called, from an "quality" one like Peterson or Dunhill?
Not that much and everything. Quality control is a big part. One thing to note is that if you look at the high end pipe advertising from back in the day they often clearly state that the thing that separates a good pipe from a great pipe is how nice it looks. It's a tool but it's also an accessory. In theory Dunhill is going to be pickier about if a piece goes to market or not. But really at the end of the day it's just a matter of what people are willing to pay. And there aren't any really hard and fast rules. Lots of pipe factories have different grades of pipes they charge more or less for and it really comes down to how nice the grain is (which is objective, but Grabow doesn't care what the grain looks like Dunhill does) and how many pits there are that need to be filled and how obvious those pits are. As far as how well they smoke again that's a personal thing and some people swear one smokes better then another and some swear they're all the same.
Is it just a matter of the materials and workmanship, or do the better pipes smoke better?
Open debate on that. But like I said the biggest factor in how well a pipe smokes is who is smoking it. I'll put it his way it's a tool. And a relatively simple tool at that. One screwdriver might be better then another but who is doing the driving matters more.
I've thought about getting a Peterson, but before I blow a couple of C notes on one I want to be sure that I'm getting something worth the money.
Personally I really do think my best smoking pipe is my Peterson System Spigot but frankly it's not a revelation or game changer. It's a slight thing. Wait until you're sure it is what you want, well at least that's my advice. And the thing is if you stick with this thing, you'll consider a few c notes to be not really all that much for a pipe that you can get years of constant use and enjoyment from. But even at that point it won't be this giant change that blows your mind. Though if you want a pipe that smokes easy and is more forgiving get a Falcon. They're a cheaper pipe and honestly I think they smoke great the gimmick works. It takes more work to burn your tongue with a Falcon then pretty much any other type of pipe. And they have a kind of quirky weird look that I sometimes find fun. Plus you can put a dry ring (small piece of pipe cleaner) or a little bit of cotton ball fluff in the humidome (the part under where the bowl screws on) and that will help cool the smoke without killing too much flavor. All that said if you really do like a pipe a lot it can be more fun to smoke. And a lot of times the pipe that just smokes great for you might as well be magic because it's one of those things that just seems to happen.
I would appreciate any input, comments or suggestions!
I will restate it cause I feel that strongly about it. Just getting more experience and honing your own smoking skills will do more then any particular pipe will to give you the perfect smoke. So just keep at and keep asking questions and keep trying things.
For me me personally the two things that helped the most was one learning that I personally like very dry tobacco, that's what smokes best for me. And that matches over lighters made a bigger difference to my enjoyment then any particular pipe ever has.
 

bullet08

Lifer
Nov 26, 2018
10,185
41,406
RTP, NC. USA
It's all about the air. But first, dry the tobacco until you don't feel any moisture when pinching between thumb and index. After the tobacco is dried, just drop them into the chamber. Don't push down on it. Just drop them into the chamber until full. Now, very gently push down just a bit so it won't fall out. Try smoking that. Should be easier to smoke. That's basically a gravity fill. If you want fancier method, look for Frank method. Once you get used to packing the pipe, you won't even think about it.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
It's all about the air. But first, dry the tobacco until you don't feel any moisture when pinching between thumb and index. After the tobacco is dried, just drop them into the chamber. Don't push down on it. Just drop them into the chamber until full. Now, very gently push down just a bit so it won't fall out. Try smoking that. Should be easier to smoke. That's basically a gravity fill. If you want fancier method, look for Frank method. Once you get used to packing the pipe, you won't even think about it.
certainly try several packing methods. I find that helps give you an idea of what you're trying to end up with, which is sadly the hardest part to express. Basically all packing techniques are attempts at getting that point. But the gravity fill is the center of my packing technique and it works well and is easier to explain. Sprinkle the tobacco in tap the heel of the bowl (bottom side not dead center) to settle the tobacco repeat till it's at the right level.
Either way it's like a lot of skills in that it seems to tricky and then suddenly one day you don't even think about it you just get on the bike and ride away with your shoes tied and your pipe lit.
 

DaSOB

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Aug 7, 2023
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Couple of points that y'all mentioned, gravity fill and drying the tobacco, are things I had kind of begun to get a whiff of (no pun intended!). Y'all have validated those for me. Thanks.

I had definitely noticed that dry tobacco, I mean powder-house dry, smokes more smoothly and coolly than moist tobacco. But I figured that the tobacco was moist for a reason, so I hadn't been drying it. With the moist tobacco I had been getting "juice" in the stem even with a filter. Nasty surprise to get a squirt of that in a draw. I'll definitely start drying my tobacco more.

And on the gravity fill, just recently I had started sort of doing that - just kind of discovered it on my own. I fill the bowl loosely and tap it several times to settle the tobacco, then add some more and tap again. I finish by compressing the load slightly with my thumb rather than packing aggressively, which I had done when I first started smoking pipes. Got some really nice smokes that way.

I'll sure take y'all's suggestions to heart!
 

OzPiper

Lifer
Nov 30, 2020
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With the moist tobacco I had been getting "juice" in the stem even with a filter. Nasty surprise to get a squirt of that in a draw. I'll definitely start drying my tobacco more

I'll sure take y'all's suggestions to heart!
Sounds like you’re doing fine, so far

I always have a few cleaners on hand and use them if there is any hint of a gurgle.

A few meerschaum chips or Nording Keystones at the bottom of the bowl helps as I often don’t have time to dry the tobacco sufficiently.
Usually results in a nice dry smoke with minimal dottle
 
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proteus

Lifer
May 20, 2023
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I will add my pipe brands I own are Peterson Savinelli Missouri Meerschaum all in acrylic bits. MM has some nice pipes and some are less than 10 bucks.

But many others are great too. I've heard Ashton, Dunhill, Chacom, Brebbia, Rossi, Stokkebye and Nording all great. Grabow has a long history and tradition which I've heard many get a great smoke from.

There's also collecting. I enjoy collecting and restoring kaywoodie pipes from pre '55 4 holes to '30s and '40s 2 or 4 digit model types.
 
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newbroom

Lifer
Jul 11, 2014
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This is my current 'rotation'. I'm not into the fancy, but I have a few. The pipe at the top is a 4 panel, square shank with a Grabow stem from a billiard I dropped and cracked its shank. The only one there that was purchased new is the Legend, second from bottom. (9 yrs old). The rest were ebayed , oh, except for the Morgan cob 2nd, also 9 yrs old.
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DaSOB

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This is my current 'rotation'. I'm not into the fancy, but I have a few. The pipe at the top is a 4 panel, square shank with a Grabow stem from a billiard I dropped and cracked its shank. The only one there that was purchased new is the Legend, second from bottom. (9 yrs old). The rest were ebayed , oh, except for the Morgan cob 2nd, also 9 yrs old.
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Nice stable you have there. At this point, my "rotation" is a Dr. Grabow Omega Rustic and a Dr. Grabow Full Bent Rustic (I like the rustic look). The Omega has a cracked stem - it's still smokeable with some ad hoc repairs, but I emailed Grabow about getting a new stem.
 
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newbroom

Lifer
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Thanks for the compliment. I haven't shown you what I have to select from. When I started with the Legend, about 9 ys ago, I also had been retired for a yr, and fell into this pipe thing with a vengeance. I had a blast obtaining inexpensive pipes for about 3 or so yrs and now I've got about 80 or 90. I have only spent more than $50 for a pipe once. It is the one in my avatar. A Dunhill Shellbriar from 1954.
When you read these pages about old pipes, you start to grasp what makes a pipe valuable. Often, it is its simplicity and ease of smoking, and that is often a cob.
The older Grabow's from Chicago are quality all the way. I've also got a few of Grabow's Westbrook models and they're nice to smoke too.
I have two wonderful Artisan pipes that were gifted to me by Chris Besse of Red Deer Alberta. He was making a lot of pipes there for awhile, but has been pre-occupied, I guess, of late.

That 3rd pipe in my pic from the bottom, is an African meer I got that had been mixed in with a 'lot' of cobs I won on ebay. I got about 6 or 7, some new, for about $10.00, including the meer by Kiko.
One of the ways I've acquired pipes, (some really crappy) is by bidding and winning on pipe racks that come with old pipes. You eventually want rack space. I have even made alterations to an old headboard that once held a mirror, and sitting on the floor looks like a fireplace with mantel. On top I have most of my pipe racks, and in the fire pit I've put in holders for another 3 dozen pipes.
 

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I highly recommend trying a Missouri Meerschaum cob to help figure things out, specifically with the default plastic stem which has a very open air channel. It should be only a $10 investment.
Most briars are quite restrictive compared to Cobs and if you find the Cob smokes better for you then you'll know you have a preference for pipes with more airflow.
 
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judcole

Lifer
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Smoke the best tobacco you can afford, in the best pipes you can afford. It will increase your enjoyment of the hobby. There's a difference between being frugal and being cheap.
The fact that your Grabow stem broke without it being treated roughly should tell you everything you need to know about those pipes. puffy
 

trouttimes

Lifer
Nov 26, 2018
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I have Dr.G’s and I have S.Bangs. I smoke them all. It’s the specific pipe not the name that matters. There are many old threads about this if you look. Lots of good info so far on packing and smoking here. Just don’t over think it and you will do fine. Keep in mind, in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s , millions of Americans smoked a pipe regularly. How hard could it be?