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georged

Lifer
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l feel paying the premium for a tin should come with the benefit of being able to store it long term. S.G does not seem to agree lol

Sounds like you think buying a new car should come with a chauffeur, buying clothes should include a lifetime of laundry service, and buying food at the grocery store should include a chef and waiter.

Damn straight they should.

JUST BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO DO THOSE THINGS DOESN'T MAKE THEM RIGHT, right???

You go, Mez!

(Wow. I can't believe I've finally found a reasonable person ONLINE of all places!)

You and I need to start some sort of resistance movement/customer union sort of organization, so that arrogant, presumptive pretenders like Rachel and her GH&Co. crew who understand nothing when it comes to products intended for public consumption don't get the last word every time. It's not just tiring, it's WRONG, dammit!
 
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Sig

Lifer
Jul 18, 2023
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Saying it and tinning tobacco in a tin that will last twenty years are two different things. I'm not positive, but I believe the tins they use were designed for food service,think chip dip😉,at least the two ounce tins. I'm pretty sure they don't have their tins designed for tobacco use. Are they suggesting aging tobacco in their tins or in other containers??? Aging tobacco is relatively new, C&D hasn't always suggested this. 40 years ago I never heard anyone talk about aging pipe tobacco, not that some didn't, it was just never discussed as it is today.
I know aging tobacco is a relatively new concept. C&D has their Cellar Series which they say isn't necessarily JUST for long term storage, but say these tobaccos improve dramatically over time. On several of GLP blends he suggests letting the blend sit for a few years. No mention of removing it from the tin. There is an article somewhere that either Craig Tarler, or Jeremy Reeves says their tins are designed and packaged with aging in mind.....maybe its a video, I'll look around. They have never suggested 20+ years, but "time in the tin" and such things.
Ive personally never had an issue with any C&D or GLP tins...so far.
I have some from the early days of them selling online. The ones ive opened have been fine.
 
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Mez

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Sounds like you think buying a new car should come with a chauffeur, buying clothes should include a lifetime of laundry service, and buying food at the grocery store should include a chef and waiter.

Damn straight they should.

JUST BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO DO THOSE THINGS DOESN'T MAKE THEM RIGHT, right???

You go, Mez!

(Wow. I can't believe I've finally found a reasonable person ONLINE of all places!)

You and I need to start some sort of resistance movement/customer union sort of organization, so that arrogant, presumptive pretenders like Rachel and her GH&Co. crew who understand nothing when it comes to products intended for public consumption don't get the last word every time. It's not just tiring, it's WRONG, dammit!
get it off your chest george
 

Briarcutter

Lifer
Aug 17, 2023
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l feel paying the premium for a tin should come with the benefit of being able to store it long term. S.G does not seem to agree lol
I agree, there's nothing more frustrating in the pipe hobby than finally cracking a tin just to find out it's been compromised😥 However, what is long term storage? 5,10,15,20,50 years? Don't get me wrong, I'm with you but how long should we hold the company accountable for their seals? I can understand both sides of this. As consumers we want that darn tin to stay sealed until when ever we open it, tomorrow or thirty years from now. As a manufacturer, would they want to go through all the cost and experimentation to develops a tin that will last through Armageddon? All the tins I've encountered in my time have been acceptable. Some failed but for the most part they've been pretty good. Now, if a company has changed standards where the seal life is only several months, that's a problem but if things continue as they have in the past 40 years of my experience all is good.
 
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Mez

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I agree, there's nothing more frustrating in the pipe hobby than finally cracking a tin just to find out it's been compromised😥 However, what is long term storage? 5,10,15,20,50 years? Don't get me wrong, I'm with you but how long should we hold the company accountable for their seals? I can understand both sides of this. As consumers we want that darn tin to stay sealed until when ever we open it, tomorrow or thirty years from now. As a manufacturer, would they want to go through all the cost and experimentation to develops a tin that will last through Armageddon? All the tins I've encountered in my time have been acceptable. Some failed but for the most part they've been pretty good. Now, if a company has changed standards where the seal life is only several months, that's a problem but if things continue as they have in the past 40 years of my experience all is good.
I've only been pipe smoking three years but from what I hear most companies tins will hold a seal. I get its not a 100%. If I can not get a tin that will probably hold a seal, I'll just buy the bulk size and put it in jars. Although, I do like the aesthetic of having a tin.
 
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sardonicus87

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I think a good portion of the market would like tins that hold a seal but they do not want to oblige us. Guess that is why they make mylar lol.
Pretty bold claim.

I wouldn't even begin to suggest the majority of forum users feel this way—like,obviously everyone wants it to hold a seal for a little while, but for a reasonable amount of time, like a year I think is within reason, but more so that the majority feels it should last longer than a year.

Never mind that users of forums make up only 1-3% of all pipe tobacco users.

Then you admit you've only been smoking for 3 years? Like come on, you're still way too green to be making such bold and sweeping claims. Only been smoking 3 years and already an expert on what the market wants based on one person and 1% of pipe smokers being vocal online. :rolleyes:

I hate the internet, SO much.
 
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Mez

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Pretty bold claim.

I wouldn't even begin to suggest the majority of forum users feel this way—like,obviously everyone wants it to hold a seal for a little while, but for a reasonable amount of time, like a year I think is within reason, but more so that the majority feels it should last longer than a year.

Never mind that users of forums make up only 1-3% of all pipe tobacco users.

Then you admit you've only been smoking for 3 years? Like come on, you're still way too green to be making such bold and sweeping claims. Only been smoking 3 years and already an expert on what the market wants based on one person and 1% of pipe smokers being vocal online. :rolleyes:
Fair enough. I stand corrected. I revise my statement to. " I want to have aged tobacco and tins that will most likely hold a seal." I guess YouTube and the forum have my view of the pipe community as a whole skewed. My bad.
 

Mez

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I really did not mean to ruffle any feathers. I'll stop posting opinions. Really, my bad. Best wishes.
 

blametony

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I guess based on the responses here, we can conclude that the newer SG tins may be, at the very least, inconsistent in terms of their closure. This is the original point I was trying to make. I’ve had SG tins in the past that were aged over 10 years with no issue and newer tins that popped easily and with no hiss. I’ve found their tins far more inconsistent than any other large producer I’ve bought.
 

paulfg

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A producers obligation should be to ensure the tins hold up to keep the tobacco smokable when purchased,beyond that its up to you how you store it.Which they mostly do.No one is 100%

how about you quit moaning and take some responsability for your self.It is not down to the producer to make the tins last for ever.
You can mylar/jar/put it in the fridge/stuff it up your ar*e its up to you

just my own opinion of course
 

theTomTom

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Do as you wants to do. its all the same long term.

The cost is alot. It may not seem it, but 17% for a 50 gram tin needs to last long time.
 

theTomTom

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i am smoking a 50 gram of old gowrie, after the 3rd smoke, and maybe 20ths opening, it wont seal or really stay shut. it likes to self loosen.

But every STG, Mac Baren tin needs a crowbar to open each time. damned things seem to re vacuum seal.
 

Brendan

Lifer
If the new tins are too tight, get your son or a neighbour to open them for you - if you then transfer to mason jars and have trouble cracking the lids in 15 years time when you finally decide to smoke it, you can probably get your son, or son in law to crack that for you as well.
If the tins are too loose, maybe just smoke it before it dries out.
 
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paulfg

Lifer
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i am smoking a 50 gram of old gowrie, after the 3rd smoke, and maybe 20ths opening, it wont seal or really stay shut. it likes to self loosen.

But every STG, Mac Baren tin needs a crowbar to open each time. damned things seem to re vacuum seal.
Well only buy STC then,easy isn’t it
 
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Sea Lord

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I don't know if any manufacturer ever had long term storage in mind. Not at least as some consider long-term storage. I would guess a manufacturer would be happy with a couple year seal, not 20 as the collectors wish. That's not to say that seals won't last twenty years or even longer. I've had steel cutter tops from the 1950's hisss open good as the day it was packed. I think long-term storage and aging tobacco is relatively new to the market. Some have always believed in it but not on the level it is today.I've had many round tins sealed 20+ years but it always seems a problem with square and rectangle tins regardless of the manufacturer.
I thought long-term storage was also a recent phenomenon. I've learned a couple of years back that's it's been going on for quite a while; at least 40 years. I was really surprised to learn that.