New labels ... they have managed to ruin the artwork for good

[philobeddoe]

Aquadoc, you weren't the one who was out of bounds.

 

[warren]

Luckily, as opposed to some apparently, I purchase the tobacco and not the container. I did, on my last trip to England, assay to procure at least one pack of cigarettes with a different health label on each. The pictures are interesting to study.

 

[toobfreak]

If you had told me 25 years ago the country would look like this in 2017 I would have called you a liar.

Ain't that the truth. Maybe even just 5-10 years ago?
Maybe we need warning labels on big government and politicians! Warning, voting for a politician or depending on Big Brother could be very bad for your health!

 

[fitzy]

I'd like to know what idiots pass legislation that will make products currently in stores unsaleable as is. All they had to do was make it apply to future production.
We don't need to get into arguing about abortion. This is a tobacco forum after all.

 

[aquadoc]

ToobFreak...ain't that the truth. I do not understand how we have let a bunch of nimrods decide how and why they should control our lives. This is not the country of my youth or the one my dad and my uncles fought for. Term limits, no lobby of any kind, no idiots...and no damn parties.
As for tobacco labeling, they can label all they want. As long as it has somewhere on the label what blend it is, we can ignore the rest. I guess even if they put a question mark down for the blend, we can always figure it out and trade.

 

[toobfreak]

[/quote]I'd like to know what idiots

I don't want to get into dutch with anyone here, but let me tell you this: My mother was a politician. She was a very good lady so she ended up very unpopular and constantly fought with all around her. Growing up, we had many legislators, judges and such come by to visit. WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS, people get into politics because they are BUMS who can't hold down a real job and meet a payroll! So they get elected so the taxpayer can give them a salary and healthcare benefits they could never merit out in the real world.
Now, I hope this doesn't violate any rules here, but if you really want to understand the fundamental problem of why every law, every regulation always seems bass akwards to common sense, I can refer you to this very old article. There are several versions of it but I found this one. I don't consider it "political", it does not advocate any political OPINION, just why all of these people we elect always suck.
And it all comes right back to the agencies like the FDA as well. If you don't want to know, just don't click the link and forget I even said this! :mrgreen:
545 People

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Dear Mr Madox, You so right with your remarks, all great old art work is ruined in all Eu countries and even in Russia, then this going on even that far like in Philippines and Egypt, remembering those amzing packs of French cigarettes like, Gitanes&

Gauloises and another traditional packaging arts,such as Capstan cigarettes in England,yes sure horrible what is going on with tobacco industry all over,Luckily we still have little hope,we may wanna buy these leather pouches and silver cigarette cases

those popular items in past,

 

[tennsmoker]

An old politician told me once to remember the Golden Rule:
"He who has the gold, makes the rule."

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Mr Tennssmoker: Those circles who has that Gold are constantly coming up with proposals which final meaning is to rip us from what we do have(mostly increasing taxes&yet other governement fees)) Repulsing fact ain't it? never could imagine facing this in my 50 ies,,

 

[pipeman84]

Madox, it's the new EU Tobacco products directive - putting the photos one sees on cig packets on pipe tobacco tins/pouches may be a Romanian thing, but all over EU the warnings have been increased.

What I do is remove the stickers where possible, cross them out with a black marker pen or transfer the content in neutral tins/pouches.

This should be a WAKE UP call to all smokers. IT'S NOT ABOUT HEALTH! It's disgusting state mandated propaganda against law abiding citizens eerily reminiscent of Nazi conduct against 'undesirables' during 1930s.

 

[downinit]

WTF pipeman? Nazis? Lets not go there.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

You guys sure make things hard to moderate.

 

[pipeman84]

Hey guys, perhaps you should brush up on your history. Nazi doesn't mean ONLY Holocaust and death camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany
In a different thread on this forum there are shown British TV ads for pipe tobacco from the 1980s...and now not only you can't smoke indoor in any bar/pub, there's no advertising allowed, and tins and pouches come defaced with medical porn and propaganda. And you want to 'moderate' me. 8O

 

[downinit]

Time to close this topic? Godwin's law has been evoked.

 

[pipeman84]

Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Looks like you haven't read the link in my previous post nor done any other research on the subject...

 

[murica]

Toob
Enjoyed that piece. Thanks for linking.

 

[downinit]

How's this for research into reductio ad absurdum or reductio ad Nazism...
From http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/goldbergs-trivial-pursuit/ By AUSTIN BRAMWELL

...

Goldberg nonetheless sees ideologies as discrete wholes. He makes much of his discovery, for example, that the Nazis supported organic farming and animal rights and even goes so far as to admonish us to “grapple with the fact that we’ve seen this sort of thing before.” Readers can spare themselves the energy. That Nazism and contemporary liberalism both promote healthy living is as meaningless a finding as that bloody marys and martinis may both be made with gin. Repeatedly, Goldberg fails to recognize a reductio ad absurdum. He tells us that Himmler bemoaned the Christian persecution of witches, just like Wiccan feminists do today, that Hitler once described his doctrine as “reality-based,” just like today’s progressives describe theirs, and that Mussolini was quite smart “by the standards of liberal intellectuals today.” In no case does Goldberg uncover anything more ominous than a coincidence.

...
ie. That Nazis hated smoking is just a coincidence.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

No good can come of this. Time to close bar.