New D&R Multi-Layer Bags-Long Term Storage Question

[SmokingInTheWind]

I bought 3 bags of Three Sails. I jarred one bag so I could have some to smoke. I have enough wide mouth quart Ball jars for the other two bags but the label states: New Bag Multi-Layer Protection. I am wondering if these would be good for two or three years of storage. I have always jarred my D&R bags in the past, but this label got me wondering. The bags are holding pressure, so no leaks. Looking for feedback. Thanks.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

I don't know. I've got some that I'm holding in the bags just until I buy more jars. The old D&R bags were thicker and seemed more reliable, and I never trusted those either.

I just jar it all usually.

 

[didimauw]

I moved all of my tobacco minus tins, and a few jars Into mylar.

Every bag of D&R I bought also went right into mylar.

I have not seen those new bags, but I do know that the tobacco is already very dry, so I would think it would be just fine in either old or new style bags.

 

[bullet08]

Double bagging condoms don't work. Why would that work?

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

Transfer it to mylar bags. Easy and cheap. Then you won't have to guess. And it will be good for far longer than 2 or 3 years.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

I do think they'll be fine for 2 or 3 years though, unless theres a hole in the bag.

 

[sablebrush52]

I bought 3 bags of Three Sails. I jarred one bag so I could have some to smoke. I have enough wide mouth quart Ball jars for the other two bags but the label states: New Bag Multi-Layer Protection. I am wondering if these would be good for two or three years of storage. I have always jarred my D&R bags in the past, but this label got me wondering. The bags are holding pressure, so no leaks. Looking for feedback. Thanks.

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It's not likely to last 3 years without drying out. Clear Mylar is permeable, so the contents will dry out. For long term storage, either food grade 7 mil metallized Mylar, or jars.

 

[bullet08]

It's not likely to last 3 years without drying out. Clear Mylar is permeable, so the contents will dry out. For long term storage, either food grade 7 mil metallized Mylar, or jars.

Only concern with large jars is possible explosion. I've seen too many 1 gallon kimchi jars blowing up.

 

[sablebrush52]

Only concern with large jars is possible explosion. I've seen too many 1 gallon kimchi jars blowing up.

I don't use large jars. The largest are the extra tall 12 oz, which I use for the longer GH & Co flakes. Mostly I use 8 oz jars, so that I don't interrupt "aging" any more than I have to. Of course, since the move, I don't use jars at all, just Mylar.

 

[Sigmund]

Kimchi is a highly dynamic product. Tobacco cant come close and you are also not hermetically sealing them (I assume). Big jars are cumbersome though.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

Thanks for all of the input. I have decided to not trust the bags and jar it for now. I have clean jars ready to go and plenty of space to store it.

I am interested in the mylar bag thing for future large quantity bulk purchases. A cursory look has me thinking it is much less expensive than jars, lighter, and easier to store.

I have questions:

1. What brand of bag do you prefer?
2. Where do you purchase your bags?
3. What size bags do you use? After opening a bag, I would like to transfer the tobacco into one or two 8 oz jars for day-to-day smoking, so I am guessing pint size would be best. Let me know what size you use.
4. How do you seal the bags? Clothes iron? Bag sealer made for the task?

 

[kcghost]

Google will answer all your questions.

 

[woodsroad]

4oz jars are best for serving from. I store in them, too. Mylar is ok, but is only reliable when heat sealed and not handled too much. Zip seals fail, handling, especially folding, can cause pinholes to form.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

Google will answer all your questions.

If only that were true.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

4oz jars are best for serving from. I store in them, too. Mylar is ok, but is only reliable when heat sealed and not handled too much. Zip seals fail, handling, especially folding, can cause pinholes to form.

8 oz jars were my main storage vehicle until I started buying one pound bags, then I moved to quart size. I will transfer from a quart jar into an 8 oz jar for serving until the quart is empty then move to the next quart. I am not concerned about breaking the aging cycle. My palate is about as dull as they come. I use the 4 oz for serving, mostly when I mix up a small batch of something new to try.

I was thinking about the mylar bag thing this afternoon and could envision an unnoticed strand of tobacco breaking the heat seal and screwing it up. I think I will stick with the quart jars for the large bulk tobaccos and the 4 oz and 8 oz for the occasional tin or pouch and for serving. I don't have the bandwidth for a new system right now.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

Google will answer all your questions.

You mean you want me to do all of the work?

 

[woodsroad]

8 oz jars were my main storage vehicle until I started buying one pound bags, then I moved to quart size. I will transfer from a quart jar into an 8 oz jar for serving until the quart is empty then move to the next quart. I am not concerned about breaking the aging cycle. My palate is about as dull as they come. I use the 4 oz for serving, mostly when I mix up a small batch of something new to try.

I was thinking about the mylar bag thing this afternoon and could envision an unnoticed strand of tobacco breaking the heat seal and screwing it up. I think I will stick with the quart jars for the large bulk tobaccos and the 4 oz and 8 oz for the occasional tin or pouch and for serving. I don't have the bandwidth for a new system right now.

I have an industrial vacuum sealer that I bought at a government auction for $35. The press and vacuum pump runs on 90 psi compressed air. It can vacuum seal a sleeping bag down to 1/4 it’s size in a jiffy. I still prefer Ball jars, except for big wads of whole leaf, which I don’t buy anymore. We mostly use it for freezing food and for long-term ammo storage. It was great when we used to do a lot of backcountry lake tripping. We could squash our clothes down to nothing, then as we ate our way through the food (also vacuum packed to avoid bears and racoons), the dirty clothes would take its place.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

I have an industrial vacuum sealer that I bought at a government auction for $35. The press and vacuum pump runs on 90 psi compressed air. It can vacuum seal a sleeping bag down to 1/4 it’s size in a jiffy. I still prefer Ball jars, except for big wads of whole leaf, which I don’t buy anymore. We mostly use it for freezing food and for long-term ammo storage. It was great when we used to do a lot of backcountry lake tripping. We could squash our clothes down to nothing, then as we ate our way through the food (also vacuum packed to avoid bears and racoons), the dirty clothes would take its place.

That sounds like a handy rig to have around. Do you vacuum seal boxed ammo or loose rounds?

 

[woodsroad]

That sounds like a handy rig to have around. Do you vacuum seal boxed ammo or loose rounds?

Both.
And I throw in some O2 absorbers.