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Lifer
May 26, 2012
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I have had kidney stones at least dozen times since the mid 80's. The severe pain comes when the stone gets stuck in your ureter. It feels like someone has your balls in a vice and they keep cranking it down.

The pain is unreal and Demerol is the only med that really takes the pain away. Crap like Morphine and Dilaudid barely move the pain down the scale. My stones were mostly uric acid, and a few were made of calcium.
There is a procedure they use when they can't blast them with the sound wave machine. The procedure is they put a camera up your dick, then they find the stone and they get it out. After that procedure they have to leave a stent in your ureter for at least a week and sometimes two. They do this so your ureter doesn't close and that can be real trouble. When you piss it feels like you are pissing glass, it is always bloody and you dread the pain every time you have to go.

The other way you get rid of them is the machine that blasts it before it can get into your ureter. They put you out and when you wake up it feels like Mike Tyson was using your side like a punching bag. The first few days you get the pissing glass deal as the broken up stones get pissed out of your body.
After any stent they put in you, they obviously have to take it out. The stent has some wires sticking out so at the end they just yank the things no pain med,no nothing and you want to smack the doctor but once you get over the shock of that, everything feels great so you don't complain. The first time I got them I thought I was going to die. I never had pain like that and I got rushed to the hospital, they knew it was kidney stones so they shot me up and I felt better. I remember lying in a hospital bed in the emergency room all doped up smoking Marlboro Reds the the whole time.

I have been smoking cigarettes,cigars and pipes now since I was 13, I am now 63. I have not had a stone for a good 4 years and I have no idea why. I just pray none of you guys get a stone stuck in your ureter, that is pain you cannot even believe you are experiencing.

Broken bones, torn up ankles, dislocating elbows, knees, taking hellacious spills snow skiing. The only thing that comes close to that pain is viral meningitis. That feels like someone is sticking an ice pick into the back of your head, it is intense. I had that twice. The cause they guessed at because they really don't know how you get it, they said it was from counting dirty money. My first business was all cash and that was their guess.
 

Sloopjohnbee

Lifer
May 12, 2019
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I don't fault doctors - but some of them are so cocky and sure of the diagnosis -
Like I said - alot of what I'm experiencing is presenting like colon/rectal disease
but I had colonoscopy 1.8 years ago and I am still under the general agegroup requiring one
Doc said 'if I was a charlatan I'd administer another'
but how would one know then? - chances are low - but all chances are still chances - it only takes a small statistic to render someone dead, correct?
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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I don't fault doctors - but some of them are so cocky and sure of the diagnosis -
Like I said - alot of what I'm experiencing is presenting like colon/rectal disease
but I had colonoscopy 1.8 years ago and I am still under the general agegroup requiring one
Doc said 'if I was a charlatan I'd administer another'
but how would one know then? - chances are low - but all chances are still chances - it only takes a small statistic to render someone dead, correct?
I was of course being humorous with my previous post, but I wasn't really joking about it potentially being diet related. The thing you're going to get the least help with from the modern medical cartel is the subject of diet and nutrition.

No idea about you, but the average person's diet these days is toxic to one degree or another and nutritionally deficient. The combination of those two things can cause all manner of health issues and symptoms.

Whether this has any relevance to your situation only you can determine.
 

ofafeather

Lifer
Apr 26, 2020
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I wasn't really joking about it potentially being diet related. The thing you're going to get the least help with from the modern medical cartel is the subject of diet and nutrition.
Agree wholeheartedly. Doctors have very little training in nutrition. A dear friend that is no longer with us was a nutritionist who specialized in this particular aspect of nutrition - using nutrition as a starting point for dealing with many maladies, including things you wouldn’t suspect, like asthma.
 

olkofri

Lifer
Sep 9, 2017
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I don't fault doctors - but some of them are so cocky and sure of the diagnosis -
Like I said - alot of what I'm experiencing is presenting like colon/rectal disease
but I had colonoscopy 1.8 years ago and I am still under the general agegroup requiring one
Doc said 'if I was a charlatan I'd administer another'
but how would one know then? - chances are low - but all chances are still chances - it only takes a small statistic to render someone dead, correct?
Yes, they are. And nowadays, specially in suxialist medicare situations they actually have a list of sorts of illnesses that are to be looked for and diagnosed and, supposedly, treated, and whatever doesn't match that list is "in the mind of the patient" and is dismissed: they either give you mind drugs or recommend to see a shrink or tell you to go home and "don't worry". In places where you pay for treatment it's probably not like that or not quite like that, but if you're transitioning into the land of the free(bies), this is what you should expect. NO: I'm not veering into discussing policy: I'm just making you aware of how it is so that you prepare accordingly. Changing the system is not within your power, so don't give yourself an ulcer over it.

Speaking of worry, and based on your symptoms: you might have an irritable bowel, and worrying endlessly about your situation is only contributing to it and quite likely making it worse.

RE: colonoscopy: in this instance I agree with your physician. These exploratory procedures are invasive to a certain degree, in addition to being painful, embarrassing, and a hassle. They pump air into your bowel to make it easy for the scope to travel: this neumatic procedure can put stress on the bowels' walls and on adjacent tissue. If you've a sedentary lifestyle and a history of spending most of your day sitting down, your abdominal muscles are likely to be flabby and weak, and it's not impossible that extra interior pressure from full or inflated bowels can rip the abdominal lining and you end up with a hernia. Not fun.
Scopings should not be regular procedures.

Of course, the chances of complications from scopings are small, but you answered yourself already on this: all chances are still chances, so why chance it?
 

Sloopjohnbee

Lifer
May 12, 2019
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Atlantic Coast USA
Yes, they are. And nowadays, specially in suxialist medicare situations they actually have a list of sorts of illnesses that are to be looked for and diagnosed and, supposedly, treated, and whatever doesn't match that list is "in the mind of the patient" and is dismissed: they either give you mind drugs or recommend to see a shrink or tell you to go home and "don't worry". In places where you pay for treatment it's probably not like that or not quite like that, but if you're transitioning into the land of the free(bies), this is what you should expect. NO: I'm not veering into discussing policy: I'm just making you aware of how it is so that you prepare accordingly. Changing the system is not within your power, so don't give yourself an ulcer over it.

Speaking of worry, and based on your symptoms: you might have an irritable bowel, and worrying endlessly about your situation is only contributing to it and quite likely making it worse.

RE: colonoscopy: in this instance I agree with your physician. These exploratory procedures are invasive to a certain degree, in addition to being painful, embarrassing, and a hassle. They pump air into your bowel to make it easy for the scope to travel: this neumatic procedure can put stress on the bowels' walls and on adjacent tissue. If you've a sedentary lifestyle and a history of spending most of your day sitting down, your abdominal muscles are likely to be flabby and weak, and it's not impossible that extra interior pressure from full or inflated bowels can rip the abdominal lining and you end up with a hernia. Not fun.
Scopings should not be regular procedures.

Of course, the chances of complications from scopings are small, but you answered yourself already on this: all chances are still chances, so why chance it?
Very poignant my friend - thanks for this?? Brother of the Briar Award
 
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Mr. Beauregard

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Don't go googling - just firsthand old fashioned experience
As you may or may not know for 3 months I have been experiencing strange and sometime debilitating health issues
I'm relatively young and visited a physician who deemed me 'clean bill of health'
They symptoms have persisted so I've scheduled with a urologist in my difficult town there was a month lead time for appointment but it's approaching
The thing I want to know is have any of you ever experienced withdrawal relating to spasms or pain (musculoskeletal or nerve)
Reason I ask is prior to all of this - mainly pain in my flank and radiating to groin coupled with gastrointestinal issues - feels like what people describe with kidney stones or hernias

Just prior to the start of this - I cut down significantly on smoking
then I altogether quit for two months now(I never planned on qutting as I have in the past twice for 1 year increments) but have never experienced anything like this - Yes cigarettes were tough and caused pain and agony but not this strangely
There's a good chance I have 'lyme disease' whatever big-med deems that these days - but was wondering if any of you had any experience. I was considering lighting up a few bowls just to test the waters, see if it alleviates it. I know nicotine is a very potent drug so coming off is a lot like heroin or alcohol. thanks
I'm a fan of nicotine patches. Slow, gradual, sustained dosing over 24 hours without the extra carcinogens of smoking. Toss one of those on and see if the symptoms get better. If they do you'll know the cause. If not, you can rule that out and focus on other possible causes. That will be $500. I take Paypal, cash, gold, or flesh.
 
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