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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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14,455
Humansville Missouri
After totaling three nice cars, my indulgent mother allowed me to buy a 1974 Vega GT in December 1976, for $1,750. It looked neat, sort of like a Camaro Lite, and it served me as my only transportation until December 1979, when I sold the still running remnants of the Vega, by then using a lot of oil, for $250, and I bought an absolutely perfect, mint 1974 360 Matador X Coupe for $900, schoolteacher owned, 20,000 mile, garaged, and every factory option. It had lime green paint and looked like a bullfrog, but it was a completely modern car then and would be today.

I spent one pleasurable day removing all the smog control gadgets on it, had it retuned, and added glass packs. The glass packs were sort of a mistake but kids like loud exhaust.

I sold it to a friend in 1982 when I bought my mother’s perfect 1977 Oldsmobile Cutlass and he drove that Matador about 300,000 miles and parked it, because it needed something done, I forget now what, and it sits today behind his father’s house.

Nobody would do it, but if you wanted to you could buy every single critical part to a 1974 AMC Matador at the local parts shop, and put it back on the road again.

My 2012 Chrysler 300S is the last large, rear wheel drive, V8 engined, Detroit land yacht. God, how I love it, but it’s just a refined and improved version of my 1974 Matador. 2023 will be the last of the 300s and sister car Chargers. Ford and Lincoln quit the Crown Vic and Town Car about a decade ago, and General Motors quit fifteen years before that.

For cheap and glorious transportation, the greatest cost is not gasoline, but depreciation, maintenance and insurance.

On long trips, my Matador closed on 20 miles per gallon. Let’s say I drove 350 miles and got 18 mpg at $3.25 per gallon.That’s only $63.

Our hotel room cost $135. My wife and I ate lunch at some trendy, gentrified cafe on the square at Springfield where they sold a zillion different brands of craft beer, and the tab was $52. And our Chrysler burned $46 worth of gasoline driving 350 miles.

It still looks new, and I keep it spotless, but in a few years there’s going to be a better American electric land yacht that’s totally silent, and costs only 3 or 4 cents a mile to run, will run 400 miles on a charge, and cost about $40,000, and has a million mile battery.

The car bodies of big Detroit iron haven’t really been much improved in fifty years. The only room to improve them is eliminate the piston engine.

Maybe we’ll get Bordello Velour and reeech Corinthian leather back.:)
 
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After totaling three nice cars, my indulgent mother allowed me to buy a 1974 Vega GT in December 1976, for $1,750. It looked neat, sort of like a Camaro Lite, and it served me as my only transportation until December 1979, when I sold the still running remnants of the Vega, by then using a lot of oil, for $250, and I bought an absolutely perfect, mint 1974 360 Matador X Coupe for $900, schoolteacher owned, 20,000 mile, garaged, and every factory option. It had lime green paint and looked like a bullfrog, but it was a completely modern car then and would be today.

I spent one pleasurable day removing all the smog control gadgets on it, had it retuned, and added glass packs. The glass packs were sort of a mistake but kids like loud exhaust.

I sold it to a friend in 1982 when I bought my mother’s perfect 1977 Oldsmobile Cutlass and he drove that Matador about 300,000 miles and parked it, because it needed something done, I forget now what, and it sits today behind his father’s house.

Nobody would do it, but if you wanted to you could buy every single critical part to a 1974 AMC Matador at the local parts shop, and put it back on the road again.

My 2012 Chrysler 300S is the last large, rear wheel drive, V8 engined, Detroit land yacht. God, how I love it, but it’s just a refined and improved version of my 1974 Matador. 2023 will be the last of the 300s and sister car Chargers. Ford and Lincoln quit the Crown Vic and Town Car about a decade ago, and General Motors quit fifteen years before that.

For cheap and glorious transportation, the greatest cost is not gasoline, but depreciation, maintenance and insurance.

On long trips, my Matador closed on 20 miles per gallon. Let’s say I drove 350 miles and got 18 mpg at $3.25 per gallon.That’s only $63.

Our hotel room cost $135. My wife and I ate lunch at some trendy, gentrified cafe on the square at Springfield where they sold a zillion different brands of craft beer, and the tab was $52. And our Chrysler burned $46 worth of gasoline driving 350 miles.

It still looks new, and I keep it spotless, but in a few years there’s going to be a better American electric land yacht that’s totally silent, and costs only 3 or 4 cents a mile to run, will run 400 miles on a charge, and cost about $40,000, and has a million mile battery.

The car bodies of big Detroit iron haven’t really been much improved in fifty years. The only room to improve them is eliminate the piston engine.

Maybe we’ll get Bordello Velour and reeech Corinthian leather back.:)
Amen to that
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
And it will do it twice in a row. Mind you, it's out of juice at that point, but no worries, just a few hours on the charger and you're ready for another 4.14 seconds of driving.
Again, I have a stainless, perfect record of being dead wrong about every advancement in autos from electronic ignition to fuel injection to do gooder approved Freon.

Right now, today, there are lots of electric cars that will duplicate the 200 mile range of my mother’s 1973 Chevy Caprice.


The big V-8 engines I love are doomed.

The little four bangers I despise are doomed.

In a few years there will be electric cars that operate at three or four cents a mile and cost less than gasoline cars that require about four times more money to operate.

It’s like an LED light bulb.

You couldn’t give me an incandescent.

But I was mad as hell when LED light bulbs came out.:)
 
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FurCoat

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Sep 21, 2020
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Again, I have a stainless, perfect record of being dead wrong about every advancement in autos from electronic ignition to fuel injection to do gooder approved Freon.

Right now, today, there are lots of electric cars that will duplicate the 200 mile range of my mother’s 1973 Chevy Caprice.


The big V-8 engines I love are doomed.

The little four bangers I despise are doomed.

In a few years there will be electric cars that operate at three or four cents a mile and cost less than gasoline cars that require about four times more money to operate.

It’s like an LED light bulb.

You couldn’t give me an incandescent.

But I was mad as hell when LED light bulbs came out.:)
My 71 Nova has a 327/375, transplant from a vette, punched out 30, raised intake, quadrajet, crane cam, headers, the works. Dyno says it has 410hp at the flywheel.It gets an average of 24 mpg average long as I don't floor it. My Fusion 3.5l V6 gets 21 mpg with all the new technology.
 

HawkeyeLinus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2020
5,928
42,437
Iowa
The efficiency of EVs for personal/passenger use declines rapidly in colder climates, heating the passenger cabin and some components uses nearly as much power as locomotion here in the winter (-15°C to -35°C, sometimes colder). Hybrid systems seem far more logical, as ICEs produce heat as a waste product. From what I have observed, only wealthy people buy EVs here, but Priuses are common, often as taxis and ubers.

IMO the most efficient possible transportation would be an older Toyota Corolla with manual transmission, driven right will get 35+ MPG, low purchase price ($1000-2000), relatively large carrying capacity, minimal maintenance costs (they are the most common car on the planet, all parts are inexpensive and easy to find), low insurance rates, and will easily last for 30+ years as long as you don't have accidents or drive irresponsibly.
Don't need an old one. My wife's '19 Subaru Forester gets 35 mpg highway and averages 30+ around town, etc. and isn't compact by any means - plenty of late model new cars that are fuel efficient. No opposition here to an old unicorn of any kind, people should drive whatever they like at whatever cost they like - her brother is still driving a Corolla from I can't even remember when and it has over 200,000 miles and he won't part with it even though he could afford to buy Rhode Island, lol.

Put me down as skeptical on electric being the be all end all, it's being pushed for plenty of reasons unrelated to its claimed benefits and we could argue all day about its real environmental impacts vs. a gas powered auto. Haven't been enjoying gas prices, but we'll see where they cycle in the next year or so.
 

ssjones

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My 400 hp Lincoln MKZ was pretty quick. (now sold, terrible gas mileage and brake issues)
I thought it was fairly quick, but just got totally smoked at three lights by a dual-motor Tesla. It was stupid fast and just had me laughing with the guy at each red light.
But, I'm not yet ready for an electric vehicle or to give up my ICE.
 

Pipeoff

Part of the Furniture Now
Jun 22, 2021
924
1,552
Western New York
Shortly there will be rain on the parade, the cost from aggressive driving resulting in the sharp rise in fatal accidents coupled with the plastic cars will result in return of high speed rail trans when the US catches up with the rest of the world.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,998
14,455
Humansville Missouri
Today is 59 years since my father picked me up from kindergarten at noon at Humansville in his brand new 1963 Ford 6 cylinder F-100 step side and while he fried me bologna the song Talk Back Trembling Lips was interrupted:

We interrupt this broadcast to inform you that President John Kennedy has been shot and wounded by sniper while riding in a motorcade in Dallas, Texas

The men in a Cambellite home are the possessions of and totally at the service of Mama. Mama had decreed we eat in the kitchen and not her living room.

That day we ate our fried bologna sandwiches in the living room, glued to the television set.

The phone started ringing.

At about two o o’clock Mama came home early from teaching school at FairPlay in her shiny 1960 Ford V-8 four door, and the quality of the eats improved, as she served us food in the living room while America lost it’s innocence.

That home still exists today, and a Daddy gets up and drives 45 miles to Springfield and the Mama drives 5 miles to Humansville and a little boy rides a school bus to the Humansville school.

That family isn’t nearly as prosperous as mine was. They’ll drive used gasoline cars and trucks for years.

But someday they’ll have used electric vehicles, which will cost about the same to operate as my family spent in 1963.

People do not change.

It is cheaper to make a vehicle with an electric motor and a battery than it is one with a gas engine and transmission.

And the energy needed to operate the same vehicle is about four times less.


I always thought the next generation of cars would be powered by hydrogen from nuclear fusion plants.

Instead hydrogen will power heavy transport. Batteries aren’t ever going to be energy dense enough to power big planes, ships, trains, and trucks.

But I’ve been always wrong, before now.:)
 

beefeater33

Lifer
Apr 14, 2014
4,266
6,836
Central Ohio
My city just got a grant to put free charging stations all over the city. We have several at each city park and each city owned building. And, each restaurant will get three stations in each parking lot.
That's sad. Nothing is free. SOMEONE is paying for others to fuel their vehicles for nothing..........
Always stickin' it to the taxpayer............
 
That's sad. Nothing is free. SOMEONE is paying for others to fuel their vehicles for nothing..........
Always stickin' it to the taxpayer............
The city posted that it takes less power to run the charger all day than to power a street light at night, so the city is absorbing the cost. They already run all of the city lights in the parking lots at those places, and they are just tying them in with them.
Not my decision... jus sayin'.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,998
14,455
Humansville Missouri
My city just got a grant to put free charging stations all over the city. We have several at each city park and each city owned building. And, each restaurant will get three stations in each parking lot.
My son has a modified Cummins diesel truck that makes about 700 horsepower and he has installed a fancy gauge on it that has a reading for horsepower.

What it really does is measure fuel use.

Pulling a big hill it’s fun to watch the numbers climb over 600.

But cruising along on a flat stretch of road the horsepower gauge drops down to three or four, and one when coasting downhill.

The physics of a truck pulling a load haven’t changed since my father used a 100 horsepower 6 cylinder 1963 Ford two wheel drive step side half ton truck to actually work, and farm 300 acres he owned and 170 acres he rented.

Free electricity at changing stations is paid for by the taxpayer. The real world cost of new wind turbine electric energy has been competitive than Natgas generated electricity for about five years and each year wind gets better. Eventually those “free” charging stations will be metered, but the cost to operate an electric vehicle are about 3 or 4 cents a mile, and no form of gas or diesel engine can compete. Your travel trailer may have a gasoline generator but you’ll only use it when electric service isn’t available.


Wind turbines are hard on birds, striking the blades.

The birds will have to duck, you know?


We are going to drive electrics because billions upon billions of dollars will be made from switching.

And won’t we all like a farmer getting rental from a wind turbine better than an Arab oil sheik?
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,998
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Humansville Missouri
Why do they cost more then?
The same reason when only lawyers and doctors and big shots had cell phones thirty five years ago my bag phone cost $2,000.

My first law office copier in 1985 cost $5,000 and I paid $200 a month for a service contract.

Look at an electric motor and a gasoline engine. Which costs less to make millions of them? Plus the electric car doesn’t need a transmission.

Two things will lead to adoption of electric cars:

1. Far better batteries.

2. Wind energy to charge them.

For a long time, you’ll still be able to buy a gas car.

But you won’t want one.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,998
14,455
Humansville Missouri
The city posted that it takes less power to run the charger all day than to power a street light at night, so the city is absorbing the cost. They already run all of the city lights in the parking lots at those places, and they are just tying them in with them.
Not my decision... jus sayin'.
By the grace of God I was born to two loving parents who were both raised up in the Christian Church. That meant I had to look everything up in one of the thousands of books in our home or else check one out from the library.

The kingdom of God is not of this world.

Our fate in this old sin cussed world is determined only by our own choices, which should be informed ones. Public education is the only hope for mankind to improve our lot on this earth.

This little phone contains more information than any library I ever had access to as a child:


The average electric vehicle requires 30 kilowatt-hours to travel 100 miles — the same amount of electricity an average American home uses each day to run appliances, computers, lights and heating and air conditioning.Jan 9, 2020

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The renters in my parent’s home pay about 10 cents for every extra kilowatt of energy they use from Sac Osage Electric. They pay more for peak power than off peak.

The Daddy in that house makes about a 100 mile round trip to Springfield five days a week.

He drives a Jeep Wrangler that likely burns five gallons of gas a day, and at $3.25 a gallon it costs him about $16 or so dollars a day.

If he could plug in his car he’d spend $3 instead, for 30 kw of electricity.

My Amish renter pays $25 an acre to rent 300 acres (minus house places) or $7,5000 a year to graze about 100 cows.

My 300 acres would support about five big wind turbines and current rental rates are about $8,000 a year each, or $40,000, and my Amish renter still gets to graze his cows.

All my life liberal do gooders have preached about sustainable alternative energy, and I’ve scoffed at every alternative they offered.

This time, I’m waiting for Sac Osage to inquire about wind turbines.:)

The pursuit of a dollar, governs all actions we take here on this sin cussed world full of woe.
 

beefeater33

Lifer
Apr 14, 2014
4,266
6,836
Central Ohio
@ Briarlee

What happens when the wind don't blow?
What happens when the ice freezes up the turbines?
I think DaVinci spoke of endless wind-solar power.............. but man, it don't work, yet........

My friend's girlfriend just bought a used electric car.............. she paid 19,000 dollars for it.
Six months later.... she had to buy new Batteries to make it go................ $14,000 for the batteries..... :(
No thanks........... if the wind don't blow..........
 

Brendan

Lifer
And what do they warrant those batteries for, 10 years or less? So then, are we are all expected to fork out $14K once or twice for the life of the car?

Yeah, I'll stick with my near 30 year old Grand Cherokee until the body rusts out, or the electronics give up ; I could sink a couple of grand into it now and keep on truckin' for another decade or two.


Another point, what will happen to the price of electricity if we eventually replace all ICE cars with Electric ?
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,998
14,455
Humansville Missouri
@ Briarlee

What happens when the wind don't blow?
What happens when the ice freezes up the turbines?
I think DaVinci spoke of endless wind-solar power.............. but man, it don't work, yet........

My friend's girlfriend just bought a used electric car.............. she paid 19,000 dollars for it.
Six months later.... she had to buy new Batteries to make it go................ $14,000 for the batteries..... :(
No thanks........... if the wind don't blow..........
I own a 2001 Dodge Cummins one ton truck worth over 15 thousand, I’m told.

It costs about thirty cents a mile to operate.

If the engine completely shot craps that’s 15 grand. It’s about 10 grand to rebuild it.

I also own a 2005 Chevy Suburban. A couple of years ago the 5.3 gas engine went out and $750 bought another one, and $750 more to install. But it’s only worth about 6 thousand.

Gasoline and diesel vehicles used are going to be cheaper to repair for many years, so much cheaper they’ll be with us for decades.

I saw on television an ad for a Lucid. It costs about 100K, goes 500 miles, and has 1,000 horsepower.


Tesla is in trouble. A 100K Tesla isn’t that tricked out.

But at Ford, GM, and Chrysler (Stellaris) there are engineers that will offer 400 horsepower EVs with 400 mile range for 40K and the battery will outlast the car. They already can make 300 horsepower $30,000 EVs.

They’ll sell about 16-18 million of those a year, every year, until the last gasoline car is sold, probably a Subaru.

And as for the wind turbines when the wind doesn’t blow, investors won’t sell power to the grid then.

Already there are power companies like Sac Osage that price by on and off peak demand.

Your electric will sit in a garage by it’s charger waiting for cheap electricity.

I couldn’t imagine this damned smart phone twenty years ago.:)

But what a miracle, we now take for granted.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
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Humansville Missouri
And what do they warrant those batteries for, 10 years or less? So then, are we are all expected to fork out $14K once or twice for the life of the car?

Yeah, I'll stick with my near 30 year old Grand Cherokee until the body rusts out, or the electronics give up ; I could sink a couple of grand into it now and keep on truckin' for another decade or two.


Another point, what will happen to the price of electricity if we eventually replace all ICE cars with Electric ?
Today, there are over 200 million light cars and trucks in the USA. About half were domestic.

Every one had a battery, a gasoline engine, four tires, and a little donut spare.

In twenty years over 90% of the current cars and trucks will be scrapped and we will still have over 200 million light vehicles.

The chief reason a 13 year old car or truck gets scrapped today is the transmission needs a rebuild.

The new electrics won’t have a transmission as we know one.

Economies of scale, building 16-18 million large electric motors and that many batteries, will drive costs down exactly like it has driven down the cost of gasoline engines, with a difference.

An electric motor has two bearings and one moving part. A battery is a pile of elements with no moving parts. It’s far more elegant and simple to build those.

I always thought solar was the future of alternative electricity generation, and it has a role.

But an electric car or light truck needs 30Kw ($3) of juice to run 100 miles this day.

Any modern wind turbine can produce that power for about $1.

Capitalism is going to take care of the rest of the story.