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mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,681
8,274
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
The newest addition to my book collection arrived last week and it promises to be a very interesting read. Published in 1660, it contains three separate publications by Tobias Venner (1577-1660), dating to the early 1600’s, these are...

Via Recta ad Vitam Longam (1620)

A Briefe and accurate Treatise Concerning the taking of the Fume of Tobacco (1621)

The baths of Bathe (1628)

Difficult to describe properly, it’s a kind of advice book, medical and hygiene book, cook book and more all rolled into one. Apparently this book is the first in English to describe obesity as a societal affliction. The topics Venner covers are wide and many. Such subtitled passages include ‘Of Fish and the Flesh of Beats and Fowls’, ‘Whether Snow-Waters be in Goodness Matchable to River-Waters’, ‘Whether Beer be more Wholesome than Ale’ etc.

But it’s the ‘Treatise Concerning The Taking of the Fume of Tobacco’ that will be of interest here. I have only browsed the book but in this particular chapter he mentions the first people to ‘drink’ tobacco were of course the Native Americans but their method quite threw me.

“The hearbe TOBACCO is of much Antiquity and Reputation among the Indians of America. It is also called Nicotian".

First they took the dried leaves of Tobacco, and cast them on the coals, then received the smoak of them at their mouth and nose with a cane, and continued the taking thereof so long, till they fell into a drunken trance and sleep, wherein they continued as dead three or four hours, according to the quantity of smoak that they had taken”.

He later states pipes were used and thrust into the mouth and nostrils to imbibe the smoke!

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And the man himself...

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I might get around to typing out the complete treatise (about 19 pages) as I'm sure it would be of interest.

Regards,

Jay.
 

mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
4,238
12,565
The Big Rock Candy Mountains
The newest addition to my book collection arrived last week and it promises to be a very interesting read. Published in 1660, it contains three separate publications by Tobias Venner (1577-1660), dating to the early 1600’s, these are...

Via Recta ad Vitam Longam (1620)

A Briefe and accurate Treatise Concerning the taking of the Fume of Tobacco (1621)

The baths of Bathe (1628)

Difficult to describe properly, it’s a kind of advice book, medical and hygiene book, cook book and more all rolled into one. Apparently this book is the first in English to describe obesity as a societal affliction. The topics Venner covers are wide and many. Such subtitled passages include ‘Of Fish and the Flesh of Beats and Fowls’, ‘Whether Snow-Waters be in Goodness Matchable to River-Waters’, ‘Whether Beer be more Wholesome than Ale’ etc.

But it’s the ‘Treatise Concerning The Taking of the Fume of Tobacco’ that will be of interest here. I have only browsed the book but in this particular chapter he mentions the first people to ‘drink’ tobacco were of course the Native Americans but their method quite threw me.

“The hearbe TOBACCO is of much Antiquity and Reputation among the Indians of America. It is also called Nicotian".

First they took the dried leaves of Tobacco, and cast them on the coals, then received the smoak of them at their mouth and nose with a cane, and continued the taking thereof so long, till they fell into a drunken trance and sleep, wherein they continued as dead three or four hours, according to the quantity of smoak that they had taken”.

He later states pipes were used and thrust into the mouth and nostrils to imbibe the smoke!

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I might get around to typing out the complete treatise (about 19 pages) as I'm sure it would be of interest.

Regards,

Jay.

There are two symbols used for the modern "s": "s" and "f". So "fucking" is actually "sucking." Why? 😃
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,662
31,237
46
In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
The newest addition to my book collection arrived last week and it promises to be a very interesting read. Published in 1660, it contains three separate publications by Tobias Venner (1577-1660), dating to the early 1600’s, these are...

Via Recta ad Vitam Longam (1620)

A Briefe and accurate Treatise Concerning the taking of the Fume of Tobacco (1621)

The baths of Bathe (1628)

Difficult to describe properly, it’s a kind of advice book, medical and hygiene book, cook book and more all rolled into one. Apparently this book is the first in English to describe obesity as a societal affliction. The topics Venner covers are wide and many. Such subtitled passages include ‘Of Fish and the Flesh of Beats and Fowls’, ‘Whether Snow-Waters be in Goodness Matchable to River-Waters’, ‘Whether Beer be more Wholesome than Ale’ etc.

But it’s the ‘Treatise Concerning The Taking of the Fume of Tobacco’ that will be of interest here. I have only browsed the book but in this particular chapter he mentions the first people to ‘drink’ tobacco were of course the Native Americans but their method quite threw me.

“The hearbe TOBACCO is of much Antiquity and Reputation among the Indians of America. It is also called Nicotian".

First they took the dried leaves of Tobacco, and cast them on the coals, then received the smoak of them at their mouth and nose with a cane, and continued the taking thereof so long, till they fell into a drunken trance and sleep, wherein they continued as dead three or four hours, according to the quantity of smoak that they had taken”.

He later states pipes were used and thrust into the mouth and nostrils to imbibe the smoke!

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And the man himself...

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I might get around to typing out the complete treatise (about 19 pages) as I'm sure it would be of interest.

Regards,

Jay.
Hey I've read the tobacco parts of this a long time ago. I still can't work out if I misunderstood some of this statements or if he misunderstood what someone else said about tobacco. There are so many mixed up things in there. For example the whole description of how the smoked at first fits the Scythians at least according to certain classic philosophical types when that was a new job. ;)
 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,681
8,274
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
There are two symbols used for the modern "s": "s" and "f". So "fucking" is actually "sucking." Why? 😃
It's all down to the long S. And yes, whenever I come across 'suck' or 'sucking' in any of my books I have to really think about it!


"There are so many mixed up things in there. For example the whole description of how the smoked at first fits the Scythians...".

Yes Bob, many mixed up things ;).

Regards,

Jay.
 

verporchting

Lifer
Dec 30, 2018
3,003
9,275
Jay, how do you come by these lovely books? Do you haunt antiquarian bookshops, online treasure hunts, private collections or maybe an inside dealer?

I’m always curious about how people find their treasures.

I’ve visited a favorite dealer in Colorado over the years and occasionally found a handful of such books at somewhat reasonable prices given their scarcity in the US but it’s pretty unusual to find much of interest.

I’ve contemplated trying online but … seems an iffy proposition.

Inquiring minds want to know …. 😄
 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,681
8,274
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
Jay, how do you come by these lovely books? Do you haunt antiquarian bookshops, online treasure hunts, private collections or maybe an inside dealer?

I’m always curious about how people find their treasures.

I’ve visited a favorite dealer in Colorado over the years and occasionally found a handful of such books at somewhat reasonable prices given their scarcity in the US but it’s pretty unusual to find much of interest.

I’ve contemplated trying online but … seems an iffy proposition.

Inquiring minds want to know …. 😄
I mainly use professional antiquarian book dealers & auctions. They scour all the salesrooms and live auctions (neither of which I am able to do) during the week and hold online auctions most weekends.

An example of the kind of people I use, I won a pretty rare book back in February and upon casual inspection I spotted one single page had been removed at some point in its life. I contacted the dealers and was immediately refunded £100 from the purchase price. That's wat I call service.

A good place to seek out books online would be AbeBooks. That said, some dealers on there ask eyepopping prices for some of their books but most will haggle.

Actually there is a dealer on there right now offering only the Treatise on Tobacco component of the above book, He is asking a whacking £3,977:54 plus postage for it. That is just plain greed. My complete book cost nowhere near that.

Regards,

Jay.
 

Arthur Frayn

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 8, 2023
200
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Sonoma county, Calif.
Jay, how do you come by these lovely books? Do you haunt antiquarian bookshops, online treasure hunts, private collections or maybe an inside dealer?

I’m always curious about how people find their treasures.

I’ve visited a favorite dealer in Colorado over the years and occasionally found a handful of such books at somewhat reasonable prices given their scarcity in the US but it’s pretty unusual to find much of interest.

I’ve contemplated trying online but … seems an iffy proposition.

Inquiring minds want to know …. 😄
Did you say, "Haunted Bookshop"?