Tobacco Reviews also says, as of today, that Peterson’s Hyde Park is made by GH. Chris Gawith says that hasn’t been true in years. The info on TR has come from a variety of sources over many years, and might or might not reflect any “official” information. The person I know with the most “inside” knowledge and has addressed the subject (not Chris) says they use RG (one substance). There are Turkish candies out there that use RG, if you try one or two of those, you won’t have any doubt.
My Lakeland Haunting Story
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Pelargonium graveolens - Wikipedia
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Dedication is the only way...There's no ride sharing on my Lakeland Lyft! Makes life easier removing the need to contemplate which pipe use as well as reinforcing the need for PAD.
Never tried DPF but I have noticed the florality of African&Indian VAs in other blends. Even Rattray's Old Gowrie has a little of that going on. Perhaps African Fire Cured contributes to this as well. I think that's why people claim to taste "Lakeland" on everything touched by a Gawith. SG only makes a few blends that use floral essences and some are convinced they are all infected. Some say the same about Royal Yacht when it's just heavy African VAs with Dunhill's plum topping and either a perique-like treatment or fermented tobacco juice added back to it. And I'm with you in wishing folks would just say "floral essences" instead of "Lakeland", but it's too late to turn that ship around now. Its firmly in the vernacular.
I wish they would only state legit, verified manufacturers info in the blurb before the actual reviews. Or include a "suggested edit" feature. Might curtail much confusion.
Pelargonium, Valerian Root is used in War Horse Bar, Heliotrope is used in War Horse Green, if you search through the old threads on here I think we told everyone what was used to flavor those two blends originally. Other additions would be Madeira Wine, Gum Arabic as a binding agent. I have often wondered what they used to flavor Condor and St Bruno.
The newer tins don't. The first run of the rerelease is a Lakeland bomb and gets stronger with age.
Just to be clear Pelargonium Oil (Rose Geranium) was never in War Horse and is a Lakeland 'thing' which I happen to be very partial too. Valerian Root extract was used to offset the fact that W.H was made from Empire Grown Tobacco (i.e) from Africa and the Valerian was added to stop people wrenching on the stuff. Incidentally the ribs of the tobacco leaves used in W.H back in the day were ground up to make snuff so if you didn't fry your brain smoking the stuff you could snort yourself into oblivion!
I've acquired a bar and some ready cut. Intense in strength and scent! Green is next on the "must acquire" list, especially if there's even the remotest similarity to the beloved Condor!
The W.H. Green is a funny animal. It was cooked up by Russ O the brilliant blender from Pipes & Cigars for Standard Tobacco. To me it was like smoking a glass of anisette but if you let it air out for a little while you realize it's a Heliotrope flavor or what some people call the Cherry Pie plant or others have compared to the scent of Play Dough. Either way it has its devoted followers and boy can it ghost a pipe!
That is some interesting information! Wonder how it mixes with today's medicines, as valerian root is used to help with sleep and calming the nerves.
I have no idea what P&C have done with the blend since they purchased the trademarks from ourselves but I would imagine they must have stuck closely to the original composition since they seem to sell an awful lot of W.H.
"purchased the trademarks from ourselves" !? Can someone chime in and tell us who @condorlover1 really is? ?
I think I missed part of the history lesson?
I think I missed part of the history lesson?
Just repeat his name at midnight 3 times in front of a mirror in a dimly lit room and see what happens!...?
Not so sure I want to do that as I am sure he is a nice guy and all but I saw the lovely picture of you two!Just repeat his name at midnight 3 times in front of a mirror in a dimly lit room and see what happens!...?
Myself, Dan (woods road) and John were the owners of the Standard Tobacco Company of Pennsylvania Ltd owners of the trademarks for Bengal Slices, War Horse Bar and Rub Your Own, John Cottons 1 and 1&2 and Smerna as well Dobey's and Murray's. In conduction with Russ O of C.I we resurrected all of the above blends after they had been missing since the early 1980s and put up with endless crap from armchair enthusiasts who had never done jack! We sold the whole catalogue to C.I last year so we could pursue other ventures in the tobacco space.
And here I thought you could be Batman or better yet Condorman!
That's awesome information, sorry about the endless crap though! It sounds like a challenging endeavor, even more so during these times. Thanks for the back story which adds to the experience, knowledge, and mystery to these forums.
^I'm pretty sure he is, indeed, Condorman! Simon, if you don't already have that printed out and hanging in your office, you should!
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