Most Bready or Hay-Like Full Virginias?

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stokesdale

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I primarily smoke uncased, untopped "pure" virginias, I've also baled 1000's of round bales of hay in my life and I've always been a little confused when reading this forum that people actually taste hay in their tobacco...does anyone actually know what hay tastes like? I do and it certainly don't taste anything like tobacco (or vice versa). And better yet, has anyone actually smoked hay in a pipe before? No offence, but I guess I just don't get it.
 
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I've also baled 1000's of round bales of hay in my life and I've always been a little confused when reading this forum that people actually taste hay in their tobacco...does anyone actually know what hay tastes like? I do and it certainly don't taste anything like tobacco .

No idea what smoking or chewing actual hay tastes like. But everyone knows that barnyard smell... whether that be hay, straw, or whatever the cause. In any case, that tin note and flavor definitely comes across for me in some VA blends. (It's not a happy thing).
 

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No idea what smoking or chewing actual hay tastes like. But everyone knows that barnyard smell... whether that be hay, straw, or whatever the cause. In any case, that tin note and flavor definitely comes across for me in some VA blends. (It's not a happy thing).
Ahh okay..."barnyard" smell to me means manure smell...I'm still confused. If they are talking about the grassy smell you get from fresh cut hay, okay, but then say "smell" don't say "taste" because it doesn't at all taste like that--I still don't think it smells like cut hay though, but I'll accept that assessment of it.
 
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Ahh okay..."barnyard" smell to me means manure smell...I'm still confused. If they are talking about the grassy smell you get from fresh cut hay, okay, but then say "smell" don't say "taste" because it doesn't at all taste like that--I still don't think it smells like cut hay though, but I'll accept that assessment of it.

It's just an approximation, but yes grassy and haylike is a very common smell and "taste" in some VA. Everyone's senses are different so it's certainly possible you don't have that experience. But it's a real thing.
 

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I grew up on a small "farm" built in the mid 1800s, and we had horses. For me, good Virginia blends bring back memories of scents found in the old barn constructed of hand-hewn American Chestnut, recently filled with hay, alfalfa, straw, and a freshly opened drum of sweet feed.
I still operate a farm myself, even though I'm old, and I still don't get that comparison to virginia tobacco, red or bright. Like logs said above though, I guess it's different for everyone, but that said, I just don't understand why people use such a specific definition of a characteristic if everyone is going to interpret that characteristic differently...wouldn't it be better to state something more common? The bread thing in the original post, now everyone can relate to that because everyone's eaten bread...I don't think everyones lived on a farm like I do.
 
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I tend burley-centric, so I'm interested to learn a little more about Virginias on this post. My Virginia blends at least get well-aged.
 

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This is an interesting discussion. I've never once considered descriptors like "grass", hay" and "bread" used for describing flavor sensations in smoked tobacco to refer to the actual taste of anything, but rather to its scent. I certainly pick up grass and hay flavor notes, mostly in the snork. I doubt too many people are eating or smoking leather, or drinking it for that matter when it comes to describing tannins in wine, but leather is one descriptor that crops up in tobacco reviews as well.
 

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If I put on my analytic hat, I'd hypothesize that there are certain aromatic compounds in aforementioned barn environment that are also present in well-aged tobacco, especially higher sugar content variants like bright leaf (aka Virginia). I've noticed similar aromas on the few fine Cuban cigars I've had over the years.
 
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This is an interesting discussion. I've never once considered descriptors like "grass", hay" and "bread" used for describing flavor sensations in smoked tobacco to refer to the actual taste of anything, but rather to its scent. I certainly pick up grass and hay flavor notes, mostly in the snork. I doubt too many people are eating or smoking leather, or drinking it for that matter when it comes to describing tannins in wine, but leather is one descriptor that crops up in tobacco reviews as well.
I agree, Jesse. Another wine reference would be "grassiness" in some Pino Grigios or Sauvignon Blancs, particularly from Marlborough, NZ. It's not that I go munch on grass, but because our taste and smell are so intrinsically linked, we taste things by smell frequently. I smoke a lot of VA's that I would describe as "Hay-like", not because I eat hay, but rather because they taste (in a combination of true tastebud taste and smell) like hay smells. Yorktown is a prime example, as is fresh Stokkebye Luxury Twist Flake (minus the coconutty/caramel topping), and many others that evoke a field of freshly mown hay. Some others have more of the "barnyard" smell which I can only assume comes from fermentation from longer aging, and it is a smell that many of my favorite cheeses and even some prosciutto has, but I've never eaten a barnyard.
 

stokesdale

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This is an interesting discussion. I've never once considered descriptors like "grass", hay" and "bread" used for describing flavor sensations in smoked tobacco to refer to the actual taste of anything, but rather to its scent. I certainly pick up grass and hay flavor notes, mostly in the snork. I doubt too many people are eating or smoking leather, or drinking it for that matter when it comes to describing tannins in wine, but leather is one descriptor that crops up in tobacco reviews as well.
"smells" I am completely fine with it's this whole taste thing that puzzles me; I don't know much about wines, rarely drink them to be honest. Mostly a beer/gin/sour mash guy here, but I do get what your saying. To be honest, the leather reference makes more sense to me than the grass reference. Thanks for adding your post...clears it up a little for me.
 

hauntedmyst

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I hate having a limited tobacco palette. I almost never taste any of the flavors you guys taste. Do the tobaccos taste different? Yes. Do I taste foods in them? Never. They always taste a little different? Yes. I just finished a fowl of Synjeco’s Holker Twist with Latakia in it and you know what it tasted like? Synjeco’s Holker Twist with a little too much Latakia in it. There is no confusing it it with 1Q, Penzance or Quiet Nights. Now I'm on to a bowl of Gawith Hoggarth - Sliced Black Twist and it tasted like Sliced Black Twist. Not motor oil or grilled steak. Well at least I still enjoy smoking after 40 years so enough of my palette pity party. I have other good qualities. I bet most of you guys never broke wind on each step going up 32 steps of stairs so I'm still a champion in that respect.
 

JimInks

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Where's @jiminks when we need him? The man who can detect a thousand micro-flavors can probably explain why VA sometimes sometimes tastes the way hay smells.
I think everybody has said anything I could say, so I stayed out of it. Different plant varietals, different soil, different climates, when tobacco is picked for processing, and the chemistry of it all. Generally, the lighter the tobacco, the more hay there often is.
 
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