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autumnfog

Lifer
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Autism and ADHD are no diseases or epidemics though.
Increased numbers there are just because of detection, as mentioned above, and knowledge.
No wonder that the numbers where different than in, say, the sixties when knowledge about neuropsychiatry where extremely crude or nonexistent.
 
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A good number of these are increased because of detection. Austism and Bipolar both come to mind. Since people started to write about other people there have been examples that sound a lot like both. Some like Diabetes are mainly behavioral. They eat like that.
A lot though are also just more people are living longer through things that would have been a quicker death sentence previously.
God I remember seeing in the 90's more people who were clearly depressed some probably clinically (i.e. they're brain chemistry just hates them) and just tried to ignore it.
Yeah, I can agree with that. Alot of these "statistics memes" are BS. But i do think we're seeing effects of modified foods and heavy consumption of metals and other toxic chemicals
 

anotherbob

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Yeah, I can agree with that. Alot of these "statistics memes" are BS. But i do think we're seeing effects of modified foods and heavy consumption of metals and other toxic chemicals
I so agree with both of those. First one statistics mean next to nothing without context. And people eat lots of things we're not meant to eat.
 
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Autism and ADHD are no diseases or epidemics though.
Increased numbers there are just because of detection, as mentioned above, and knowledge.
No wonder that the numbers where different than in, say, the sixties when knowledge about neuropsychiatry where extremely crude or nonexistent.

This furthers the tangent, but there are some great "I think my grandpa was autistic" threads on reddit. People are describing traits like not speaking very much but then talking your ear off when you get them on a particular subject, dressing the same every day, eating the same food, being happiest when spending days alone on their farms, that nobody really thought much of at the time but are considered classic traits of ASD now. :)
 

mso489

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Is there a source citation on the table that shows 10,000 plus percent increase on some disorders? It seems like we would have heard about something that sensational if it came from the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Some of these overt increases may refer to increased detection, and also to pharmaceutical companies that develop specific drugs that address some common diseases and work to lower the bar of requirements for diagnosis.

The life expectancy in the U.S. has decreased because of Covid and opiate overdoses, among other causes, but by two or three years, not what would be indicated by these reported disease increases.

Are we besieged by micro-plastics and industrial waste in the water and air? Yes, but there is a lot of political pressure not to make too much of it.
 
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brian64

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Bad diet and lack of exercise is to blame for the nation's declining health.
Excerpt from below linked article:

The United States spends more money per capita on healthcare than any other country on Earth – almost twice as much as Germany and triple Japan. To emphasize, this is the average spending on an individual level, so it’s triple the spending of Japan per person.

And what do Americans get for all that spending?

The US is the fattest and the sickest in terms of chronic disease rates in the world. Per Statista, “the CDC estimates that six in ten adults in the United States currently live with a chronic disease such as cancer, heart disease, or diabetes.” You probably know someone personally – in all likelihood, multiple people – who suffers from a chronic health condition.

Much of that disease burden is due to obesity. “Adult obesity rates have more than doubled since the 1980s — in the U.S. today, obesity affects over 42% of adults and 18% of youth. Obesity and its related complications are major drivers of rising healthcare costs, diminished health-related quality of life, and the recent decline in U.S. life expectancy,” per the STOP Obesity Alliance.

Many factors drive obesity – diet, lack of movement, poor sleep, hormonal deficiencies and imbalances, etc. But the medical system that profits off of obesity – while miseducating the public for profit — is one of the worst offenders.

Which brings us to a phenomenon some have dubbed the “obesity-industrial complex.”



 

brian64

Lifer
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there are some great "I think my grandpa was autistic" threads on reddit. People are describing traits like not speaking very much but then talking your ear off when you get them on a particular subject, dressing the same every day, eating the same food, being happiest when spending days alone on their farms
Were there any farmers from that generation who were not like that?
 
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mso489

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Given that autism is diagnosed on a spectrum that ranges from no communications skills at all to Elon Musk, I think that previous generations had a fair quotient of people who would be diagnosed today with autism.

Until the 20th Century, so many people died of infectious diseases, including in infancy and childhood, that people did not live to suffer from the chronic diseases we see today.

I also surmise that some autism is behavioral in origin, if mom has postpartum depression and isn't able to dote on the newborn for example, rather than being genetic. Infants are developing their brain circuitry at a rapid pace, so if they don't have the developmental prompts, they probably don't develop the ordinary social responses, if they don't learn them almost immediately.

Some kids adopted from orphanages where social attention is limited crop up with autism as they mature.

Pure speculation. Medical science is free to take these hypotheses from here.