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masked1

Might Stick Around
Jan 2, 2012
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Alrighty, I was having a conversation with a friend and we were discussing my pipe making. He asked if there was any money to be made in the business, noting he thought I would have potential. I am not interested in money, it is merely a hobby, but is there money to be made for those who individually make pipes?
Thanks again!

-Cody Maske

 

pentangle

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 21, 2011
548
1
Genova-Italy
Well if you're not a collector and your pipes are good enough i think yes.Then it depends on prices.If the money you expect from your work is in the 50-80 dollars range maybe you could sell your pipes also in several forums.Machined pipes with a so so grain can give you the money enough to get satisfied.If you're carving fully by hand and your briar is expensive i guess you have to look at collector clubs,ebay or making your own site.If you're a collector............well it is another thing :)

Maurizio

 

smokindawg

Can't Leave
May 25, 2011
454
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This could actually be two fold as far as making money. I only hope that I can explain this the way I'm thinking about it.
First, a person can make a bit of money making pipes, if and when your making becomes good enough that others are even intersted in purchasing them. There is a lot of competition out there also, even for the makers not intent on aiming at collectors/smokers, whom are willing to spend a lot more than your typical smoker.
Someone just starting out as a hobby maker can get by with a pre-drilled block of lesser quality and save a bit of money. You can make a fine smoking pipe from these blocks, but they aren't usually of the quality that most would expect for what a person would have to charge for a handmade pipe. As you progress and think about making pipes for sale, you'd then have to begin also to think about drilling your own blocks. This raises the question of how to do it and still make affordable pipes for a beginning maker. As well, once you begin to think about making pipes you can sell, you also have to think about better briar blocks with less chance of flaws and briar that makes more desireable looking pipes.
Now the second part to this answer: As you progress toward making pipes you would be happy selling, you will as said above, need better briar. (Which cost more!) This will cut out pre-drilled blocks for the most part, unless your willing to pay a premium and I'm not even sure where you'd get great quality blocks (For great looking grain and no flaws) without paying more than a beginner could get for a finished pips. Thus You'd want to drill your own blocks, which of course opens another can of worms, in that you'd then need the equipment to do so. This can be costly and lead to a never ending search for the next best way of doing a procedure in pipe making.
Of course, then there are the other materials involved in pipe making. There are materials that one can get by with and still sell a pipe, such as stem blanks, which of course you'd have to alter to fit your pipe and make it a better stem. If you don't do modifications, it would limit the types of pipes you could make that would look right with these stem blanks. If you didn't want to go with stem blanks, you'd then have to make your own stems which as a lot of people know, can take as long as making the pipe, be a harder endeavor than making the pipe (In my experiences) and cost more for the raw materials to make a stem than a pre-made stem costs. Of course, then there are the tools to make stems, which can differ quite a bit from the tools to make the pipe.
Pipe making can be costly and for the most part it can take quite some time to get to a point where you could sell your work. If you have made a few and enjoy it, with some time and quite a bit of investment in both that time and money as well as lots of practice, you can sell pipes and make the hobby somewhat self sustaining. You have to be self motivated with lots of patience and not easily put off by failures to succeed.
And I say this not to disuade anyone from making the attempt. I also don't say this as any kind of expert on the subject. I only mean to point out what I've learned from my experiences in my own work at pipe making.
If your serious about making pipes and trying to sell them, I'd suggest do lots of research. Talk to both new carvers as well as well known and established carvers that make a living making pipes. I'd also do a lot of research on at least the basic tools used in pipe making. For the most part these tools are adapted from things made for other purposes. Some of these tools can be costly, while others are easily adapted from very reasonably priced tools.
Pipe makers/smokers for the most part are a very friendly bunch and very open with sharing some of the basic information. This said, there are some that use processes in pipe making that they keep close to vest, and I understand the thinking on these items. Start out slow in this hobby as well, as it can sprial into a money pit quickly and talking to others can save you some of the mistakes, I as well as many others, have made. These mistakes being:

1) Purchasing tools I thought would work fine, only to quickly find out that I needed to upgrade when I found the tool just wouldn't do what I needed it too.

2) Purchasing inferior materials/tools that either didn't work, or took more time to make them work. I'd have been better off buying better items in the first place. (Most of my mistakes fit into these two)
I tend to jump in with both feet on things sometimes and this has cost me money that I could have saved, if I'd taken some of my own advice above and taken just a bit more time.
If there is any advice I can give, I'm more than happy to do so........ Be it in the making itself with tips or tricks or where I've picked up some of my tooling and changes I've made to use them for my pipe making. It also doesn't hurt to have a pipe maker whose shop you can visit. Although I'm in no way an expert, I'd be willing to have visitors in my humble shop and show anyone some of the tips and tricks I've picked up by visiting with other pipe makers.
If your thinking of getting into pipe making, I hope that I haven't confused anyone even more. :)

 
Jul 12, 2011
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Think make'in money off pipe making is tough...try being a briar cutter...think NOT! :wink:

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smokindawg

Can't Leave
May 25, 2011
454
0
I've had fun as well dgerwin and some of my mistakes actually turned out as positives, but still cost me some hard earned money that could have been better spent.
Also, as has been said over and over, smoking a pipe you made yourself is a fantastic feeling. Selling a pipe that you made followed by the buyer loving the pipe is a feeling on a whole new level.
To anyone interested in making pipes, I'd say give it a go, but don't get too involved monetarily until you know it's something you want to stick with.

 

unclearthur

Lifer
Mar 9, 2010
6,875
6
One of the toughest things when getting heavily into pipe making is the equipment investment. I had a complete woodworking shop so mine was not near what it would be for a lot of young fellas.

 

juni

Lifer
Mar 9, 2010
1,184
15
I just make pipes for myself. It feels great to smoke a pipe you've made yourself.

 

lonestar

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
2,854
163
Edgewood Texas
One of the toughest things when getting heavily into pipe making is the equipment investment.
Uncle Arthur hit the nail on the head.

Assuming you can hone your skills enough and build the reputation that lets you make a living in pipemaking, you will have to spend thousands of dollars on tools alone.

What I've learned from really researching the same question is this;

The tools will cost you money, lots of it! I'm starting out with the right stuff, nothing fancy just buying the right tools to produce pipes professionally . I've bought everything used, and only when the prices were as low as possible (Estate Sales,Craigslist,Ebay,Garage Sales). With the prices I've paid for equipment, you would double or triple it if buying new. So far, I've spent $5,500 and thats a BUDGET workshop ! I'm close to having all I need, it isnt all I *want* though, theres a lot more I will buy eventually.

The reason artisan pipes cost so much is they have to, to make it worth doing. Anything less and these guys couldnt keep the lights on.

You'll never get rich making pipes, but if you really work your ass off for years and years, you can make a living at it, if you're good.

You'll continue spending thousands a year on briar, stem material, electricity, replacing broken equipment, adding tools. That means selling a *lot* of pipes just to cover expenses.

I think thats why so many pipe makers are either retired from other work, live very frugally (backyard shops), or do this part time and pay their bills with another job.

Its pretty easy to sell a few handmade pipes when it isnt paying your mortgage, but producing and selling 150-250 high end (high dollar) handmade pipes each and every year is a lot of work with no gaurantees for success.

Personally, I'm dumb enough to take on these odds but I never was that good with math :)

 

group4

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 16, 2011
195
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If you absolutely love making pipes...and are good at it...and do it for a while, then yes, they're MIGHT be some money in it. But, like buying stocks, if you haven't got the money to lose and aren't in the market for the long term, you're better off buying other people's pipes. And that is my not-so humble opinion.

 

kennerth

Can't Leave
Jul 30, 2011
358
1
Like with pipe repair, I view the learning process loss of funds the tuition in the school of pipe making. So if it takes thousands in: selling pipes below their value while you learn the craft; and investing in the equipment, and travel expenses to fairs and shops, its still a lot cheaper than getting a four year degree in anything. So like Group4 says, "If you love making pipes", pay your tuition and go for it.

I am a musician as a hobby. I make maybe $150 a month from it. Cant justify it from an economic standpoint, but can justify it as doing something I love that I happen to make some money at. Same situation as what you propose. A great hobby that you love that pays a little after awhile, but not a great vocation for most.

Good luck!!

 

mluyckx

Lifer
Dec 5, 2011
1,958
3
Texas
Cody,
I know I'm not the smartest guy on the block, but you are an enigma :?
You have posts out here indicating you bought your first pipe for $15, which has a lot to be left desired on the pipe, to the point where I'm starting to think to just send you one of my older or less well known briars so you get a decent pipe and get started.
Then you have post here about pipe making, for which even a decent per-drilled block with stem is going to cost you more than the money you had to spend on a pipe in the first place. Pimo for instance is $25 for a block. Let alone the tools needed to finish off a pipe. Even if you do it fully by hand (coping saw, file, sand paper) you need to add at least the cost of the briar. I'd say to make a pipe all by hand, pre-drilled block, tools, sand paper, stain, wax, etc is gonna cost you $50.
So why not spend the $50 on a briar you can enjoy ?
I'm confused :-(

 
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