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didimauw

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That’s the first undeniable case of mold I’ve seen yet.
The picture was taken minutes after opening the tin. Unfortunately I lost out on about 4 years of aging, but the company made good immediately. And I haven't seen any issues with this blend since they fixed the problem.
 
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monty55

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I'll check again tonight but it felt like the beginning of mold rather than heavy crystals... that being said, the crystals I have seen have ONLY been on SG flake, and they are subtle but sparkly, like they are frosted in sugar.
Do you not have any kind of magnifying device?? You need to look at it under magnification. Otherwise, you're just guessing.
 

Briar Tuck

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Right, I'm quite familiar with mycotoxins, but I have never heard of nor seen any references to cases of anyone dying from smoking moldy tobacco. Since you mentioned such a scenario I was hoping for a specific, documented example. Cigarettes are far more common, also subject to tobacco mold, and are normally inhaled, so if there were a serious risk of imminent death or illness one would expect to find some documented cases of it among cigarette smokers at the very least.
 

Singularis

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Right, I'm quite familiar with mycotoxins, but I have never heard of nor seen any references to cases of anyone dying from smoking moldy tobacco. Since you mentioned such a scenario I was hoping for a specific, documented example. Cigarettes are far more common, also subject to tobacco mold, and are normally inhaled, so if there were a serious risk of imminent death or illness one would expect to find some documented cases of it among cigarette smokers at the very least.
Managed to find this gem of a quote:

It has been known that cigarettes are contaminated with tobacco since 1971.
On this web page: Mycotoxins And Endotoxins From Mold And Bacteria In Tobacco & Cigarettes - You Are The Healer - https://youarethehealer.org/mycotoxins-and-endotoxins-from-mold-and-bacteria-in-tobacco-cigarettes/

I think it was meant to say “contaminated with mold”.
 
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Worknman

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Looks more like plume than mold although it still looks a bit strange. Pipe tobacco is cheap enough I would toss it.
 

didimauw

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Here's another pic, same blend, different batch. This time I could see it as soon as it arrived.
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K.E. Powell

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Just toss it. It's just tobacco. Why risk literally smoking mold on some weird off-chance that it may not be? That's so dumb, no offense.

In the future, don't just let your tobacco sit in some crappy mass-produced tin. I don't care if it "ages better" or whatever. Put it in a quality jar with a tight seal as soon as you can. Those tins are cheap things and cannot be trusted. Every couple of months, we get threads from people who ask if their tinned tobacco has mold on it after cracking it open after a few years. If you have to ask, just toss it. And in the future, put it in a better receptacle. I don't care what anyone here says: tins aren't to be trusted for keeping tobacco sealed for very long periods of time. If you are going to age your baccy, put it in a jar or something similar. Trust me, it's better off.
 

TheWhale13

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Just toss it. It's just tobacco. Why risk literally smoking mold on some weird off-chance that it may not be? That's so dumb, no offense.

In the future, don't just let your tobacco sit in some crappy mass-produced tin. I don't care if it "ages better" or whatever. Put it in a quality jar with a tight seal as soon as you can. Those tins are cheap things and cannot be trusted. Every couple of months, we get threads from people who ask if their tinned tobacco has mold on it after cracking it open after a few years. If you have to ask, just toss it. And in the future, put it in a better receptacle. I don't care what anyone here says: tins aren't to be trusted for keeping tobacco sealed for very long periods of time. If you are going to age your baccy, put it in a jar or something similar. Trust me, it's better off.
Why risk smoking tobacco on some weird off-chance that it will not kill you? That is so dumb. No offence; of course.

Keeping tobacco in the original, vacuum sealed tin, is probably a lot safer considering mold compared to pulling it out of the (vacuum sealed! and pretty clean) tin and putting it in a new jar. Not only are you risking mold contamination from the air, and a not properly cleaned and sterilized jar might spread mold as well. Trust me, it's not better off.
 
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sablebrush52

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Right, I'm quite familiar with mycotoxins, but I have never heard of nor seen any references to cases of anyone dying from smoking moldy tobacco. Since you mentioned such a scenario I was hoping for a specific, documented example. Cigarettes are far more common, also subject to tobacco mold, and are normally inhaled, so if there were a serious risk of imminent death or illness one would expect to find some documented cases of it among cigarette smokers at the very least.
I did the search on this six years ago, after the first CRF disaster. 6 years later I don't remember the specific article, but I do remember the search terms. So if I can do the search, so can you. Or not.

At the time of the CRF disaster @JimInks contacted a friend of his, a plant biologist, about the dangers involved and she was quite plain about it. Tobacco molds are highly toxic to humans and to get rid of it.
BTW,do you smoke indoors? Then you're sitting in a cloud of smoke, inhaling it.

I was merely painting a brighter picture, one were the smoker isn't killed. But you don't need toxins to wind up carrying around a tank of oxygen after a lifetime of smoking.
 

sablebrush52

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Why risk smoking tobacco on some weird off-chance that it will not kill you? That is so dumb. No offence, of course.

Keeping tobacco in the original, vacuum sealed tin, is probably a lot safer considering mold compared to pulling it out of the (vacuum sealed!) tin and putting it in a new jar. Not only are you risking mold contamination from the air, and a not properly cleaned and sterilized jar might spread mold as well. Trust me, it's not better off.
Again, it comes down to how long you expect to age the tobacco. Tins aren't intended for long term aging and become pretty hit or miss as the years roll on.
 

TheWhale13

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Again, it comes down to how long you expect to age the tobacco. Tins aren't intended for long term aging and become pretty hit or miss as the years roll on.
Yes of course. But saying that it's safer to transfer tobacco to a jar instead of letting it sit in a tin is ridiculous. As long as it's sealed, it must be safer from a mold perspective to keep it in the tin compared to putting it in another vessel.
 
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didimauw

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Yes of course. But saying that it's safer to transfer tobacco to a jar instead of letting it sit in a tin is ridiculous. As long as it's sealed, it must be safer from a mold perspective to keep it in the tin compared to putting it in another vessel.
Unless in my shoes, I couldn't see inside the tin. Transferring it sooner wouldn't have prevented to mold, but I would have been able to see it sooner.
 

sablebrush52

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Yes of course. But saying that it's safer to transfer tobacco to a jar instead of letting it sit in a tin is ridiculous. As long as it's sealed, it must be safer from a mold perspective to keep it in the tin compared to putting it in another vessel.
There's always some level of risk, but sometimes that risk is unavoidable. After I discovered that a lot of my older GL Pease tins had failed, due to the poor quality of C&D's tinning, and posted images of those failed tins here, I went through and transferred the contents of all of the older C&D tinned tobaccos, including some that were as recent as 2013. I'm glad that I did. Even those later tins were showing signs of corrosion at the soldering joint.