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Lifer
Sep 21, 2022
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*I’ve copied an old quote from Cosmicfolklore at the bottom of this thread. If he or someone objects to this, please accept my apologies and remove the post.

Tolstoy never said there are many wrong ways to smoke a pipe, but there are also many right ways.

Years ago, I thought I had money to burn (I didn’t, I was just irresponsible). I was a lonely bachelor. I had a small collection of expensive pipes including a Kyriazanos, a Becker, an Ashton, an Il Duca, etc. But I didn’t really know how to smoke a pipe, although I didn’t know what I didn’t know. Actually, the way I was puffing, I don’t know how my tongue survived. At some points, for various reasons, I quit smoking and sold my pipes. Here’s a tangent: last year I came back to pipe smoking with determination. I really do love the pipes, tobacco, and smoking. I’ve been enjoying the journey. However, in February I got a bit sick, maybe COVID, after that, I had a month of horrendous tree allergies that made smoking impossible. When I tried, I couldn’t get any flavor. Then, I had a terrible back injury followed by a stomach problem that left me unable to eat for three days. I finally recovered and smoked a pipe last night. To the topic I’ve wanted to discuss: my wife and I have been practicing a bit of mindfulness meditation. We need it with the stress of raising two young boys. Plus, I’m an anxious guy. I’ve been thinking about how to really improve my smoking technique because I don’t feel I ever got to a correct enjoyment of pipe smoking. Last night I was reading over some old threads when I came upon an explanation of a pipe-smoking method by Cosmicfolklore. I shall copy his comment below. I do have a question for the really experienced pipe smokers here. Do you do something like this? Some variation of this? I actually found that trying to do close to NOTHING was the best smoking experiences I’ve had. I want to do MORE of this and MORE NOTHING can be done. This topic may be a dead donkey by now. There’s no right way to smoke. But it might be great to tell new pipe smokers: try smoking without smoking. Here’s Cosmic’s comment on how to smoke a pipe:

I don't blow back through my pipe. I just leave my mouth unsealed. The key part is to relax your cadence, just stop puffing at all, and as you breath the gullet of your neck will be slightly enough to keep a trickle of smoke circulating. It really requires no thought. And, it would make the most boring video in the world, because there is literally nothing to see. I have seen a few and they really aren't exactly what I do or have seen men do while growing up. Not that they are wrong, just doing it differently.
When Kashmir was prolifically posting here, he would write that it is merely just walking around with a lit pipe in your mouth, with no sign of smoke or anything.
You are merely savoring the smoke. I usually do it when driving, working at my workbench, working in the garden, reading, or walking, or really anything that occupies my mind, so that smoking becomes a passive, non-cognitive thing.
At first, yeh, it does take some thinking, like in learning to drive, you have to think about every little detail of shifting gears, let off gas/clutch/shift/ gas/ as you let off clutch... But, then in no time you are shifting gears without even thinking about what you are doing.
But, there is no one way of doing any of this. Just find a way that works with your... style.
 
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I am no expert, and I never got the breathe method. As @cosmicfolklore describes I use my gullet for a slow pull on the pipe. My pulling on the pipe has nothing to do with my breathing, they are at a totally different cadence.
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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*I’ve copied an old quote from Cosmicfolklore at the bottom of this thread. If he or someone objects to this, please accept my apologies and remove the post.

Tolstoy never said there are many wrong ways to smoke a pipe, but there are also many right ways.

Years ago, I thought I had money to burn (I didn’t, I was just irresponsible). I was a lonely bachelor. I had a small collection of expensive pipes including a Kyriazanos, a Becker, an Ashton, an Il Duca, etc. But I didn’t really know how to smoke a pipe, although I didn’t know what I didn’t know. Actually, the way I was puffing, I don’t know how my tongue survived. At some points, for various reasons, I quit smoking and sold my pipes. Here’s a tangent: last year I came back to pipe smoking with determination. I really do love the pipes, tobacco, and smoking. I’ve been enjoying the journey. However, in February I got a bit sick, maybe COVID, after that, I had a month of horrendous tree allergies that made smoking impossible. When I tried, I couldn’t get any flavor. Then, I had a terrible back injury followed by a stomach problem that left me unable to eat for three days. I finally recovered and smoked a pipe last night. To the topic I’ve wanted to discuss: my wife and I have been practicing a bit of mindfulness meditation. We need it with the stress of raising two young boys. Plus, I’m an anxious guy. I’ve been thinking about how to really improve my smoking technique because I don’t feel I ever got to a correct enjoyment of pipe smoking. Last night I was reading over some old threads when I came upon an explanation of a pipe-smoking method by Cosmicfolklore. I shall copy his comment below. I do have a question for the really experienced pipe smokers here. Do you do something like this? Some variation of this? I actually found that trying to do close to NOTHING was the best smoking experiences I’ve had. I want to do MORE of this and MORE NOTHING can be done. This topic may be a dead donkey by now. There’s no right way to smoke. But it might be great to tell new pipe smokers: try smoking without smoking. Here’s Cosmic’s comment on how to smoke a pipe:

I don't blow back through my pipe. I just leave my mouth unsealed. The key part is to relax your cadence, just stop puffing at all, and as you breath the gullet of your neck will be slightly enough to keep a trickle of smoke circulating. It really requires no thought. And, it would make the most boring video in the world, because there is literally nothing to see. I have seen a few and they really aren't exactly what I do or have seen men do while growing up. Not that they are wrong, just doing it differently.
When Kashmir was prolifically posting here, he would write that it is merely just walking around with a lit pipe in your mouth, with no sign of smoke or anything.
You are merely savoring the smoke. I usually do it when driving, working at my workbench, working in the garden, reading, or walking, or really anything that occupies my mind, so that smoking becomes a passive, non-cognitive thing.
At first, yeh, it does take some thinking, like in learning to drive, you have to think about every little detail of shifting gears, let off gas/clutch/shift/ gas/ as you let off clutch... But, then in no time you are shifting gears without even thinking about what you are doing.
But, there is no one way of doing any of this. Just find a way that works with your... style.
The last two sentences of the quote work best for me.

When I first started smoking I went through all of the same beginner issues that everyone mentions, tongue bite, constant relights, hot smoke, etc, etc. I was trying too hard to make it work. I can hear Yoda telling Luke, "there is no try."

I paid attention to what I was doing, and started experimenting with that I did, noting what changes resulted from it. I tried out different recommended ways of prepping and packing, adopted some and rejected others, then went back with a new blend and revisiting and experimenting again.

These day it's mostly second nature to me. I just use what my instinct, born of experimentation, suggests that I do. With ribbons and shag it's often a codger scoop, because I know how to do that, because I've done it for so long. I don't need to think about it. That's largely true with most of my smoking. The only time I'm really focused on my smoking is when I'm trying out a new blend, or focusing on the flavors I'm getting. Most of the time I don't think about it.

We all find our own way to "know" how to smoke a pipe. A lot of what I do is based on tactile sensation. I know what's going to work for me because it "feels" right, such as the tactile sensation of the tobacco to tell me when it's at a moisture level that will deliver me flavors, the feel of the pack, etc, etc.

Others may find a different way to get to the same place. Doesn't matter. Enjoying one's smokes is the only thing that really matters.

People seem awfully impatient to gain "mastery" over smoking a pipe. There is no "mastery" over smoking a pipe. There's only what works for you, and that may change over time.
 

augiebd

Lifer
Jul 6, 2019
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Smoking a pipe while doing other things has helped to make it more of a natural reflex over time. Just sitting and focusing completely on the pipe wasn’t getting me there. Not that I don’t pay attention to what I am doing or enjoy the flavours but sometimes it is good to just go on automatic. Always learning so also have those times when I do really focus in on the pipe smoking and what I am doing there.
 
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Lifer
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You can’t help but focus in the beginning when things inevitably go wrong. It’s nice when things come together. I found this idea of doing less or doing nothing, in terms of smoking, to be really helpful. I don’t mean doing nothing while smoking. I mean as the act of smoking. It’s been less than a year for me and the last few months I’ve been miserably ill. Anyway, the breath method is a lot of doing something. I was reading about it when I came across Cosmicfolklore’s comment. It’s the opposite, sort of. I think starting from nothing might be an easy way to get to making less of an effort entirely. A purer enjoyment if there is such a thing? Last night was my first smoke after being sick for many weeks and it was very sweet.
 
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Lifer
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You can’t help but focus in the beginning when things inevitably go wrong. It’s nice when things come together. I found this idea of doing less or doing nothing, in terms of smoking, to be really helpful. I don’t mean doing nothing while smoking. I mean as the act of smoking. It’s been less than a year for me and the last few months I’ve been miserably ill. Anyway, the breath method is a lot of doing something. I was reading about it when I came across Cosmicfolklore’s comment. It’s the opposite, sort of. I think starting from nothing might be an easy way to get to making less of an effort entirely. A purer enjoyment if there is such a thing? Last night was my first smoke after being sick for many weeks and it was very sweet.
Agreed, in the beginning I had to focus when everything was new. For me the doing other things at the same time helped me to move on to doing less or “nothing” while smoking which helped things become more natural. Glad Cosmic’s suggestions make sense and that you are feeling better to enjoy your pipes again. Not at all saying what helps me will help everyone. Just my experience.
 
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Lifer
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Too much complication here.

Lemme simplify:

If you're actually enjoying your pipe you're doing it right.
To simplify: A lot of sets of instruction to newbies include things about puffing lightly or not puffing too hard. It seems that a newbie might try not puffing at all and see if it works? It might not work for everyone, obviously.

The only question I would have is how some people who seem to like to smoke wetter tobacco (and I've seen from reviews that some experienced smokers do) keep their pipes lit. Seems like a pain.
 

mso489

Lifer
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Most activities in life take some conscious learning and probably more just experiencing the activity and learning from that. If you verbalize too much and reduce everything to a method, that may be overthinking it.

Some people operate entirely by methodology and verbal cues. It works for them. I don't.
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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To simplify: A lot of sets of instruction to newbies include things about puffing lightly or not puffing too hard. It seems that a newbie might try not puffing at all and see if it works? It might not work for everyone, obviously.

The only question I would have is how some people who seem to like to smoke wetter tobacco (and I've seen from reviews that some experienced smokers do) keep their pipes lit. Seems like a pain.
Practice, simple as that. I can smoke tobaccos straight from the tin and effortlessly smoke a bowl without needing a bunch, or sometimes any, relights. Practice and after a time you sense what going on, even if you're not focused on it.
 
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Lifer
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How do people even enjoy smoking a pipe with all this overthinking?
Well you must never have started doing anything. You just always did it well. That’s why you can’t imagine it. In life, we don’t have to find areas of which we know more than others. There are always going to be places of which we know less.
 
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