Meerschaum, Cracking Push Mortise Insert

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sardonicus87

Lifer
Jun 28, 2022
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So, the delrin/nylon/plastic (?) mortise half of the push fitting has cracked twice now. Any thoughts?

To begin with, I never removed the original one before it had cracked. I've been using this pipe almost daily for three months now. Anyway, whenever I put the stem on, I never forced it hard, and I would always twist it clockwise if the mouthpiece wasn't straight (so that the mortise wouldn't unscrew). I've never pulled the stem while the pipe was hot, and I've definitely never overheated the pipe while smoking. I've also been careful about pulling the stem, always twisting it slightly clockwise as I pulled it out. I've never wiggled it in and out, only twisting if need be.

I've been holding it by the stem rather than the bowl while smoking. When it needs ashing, I would turn it upside-down and very gently tap the heel with two of my fingers.

In other words, I have been quite careful with it.

I noticed it the first time because when I turned it over and tapped the heel, I could feel what I can best describe as a very subtle rattling. So after it cooled down, I inspected it and noticed the cracking. Looked online and ordered these Standard Universal Meerschaum Pipe Fittings 3 Tenon - Mortise Set - https://www.meerschaummarket.com/standard-universal-meerschaum-pipe-fittings-3-tenon-mortise-set/ replacements.

When the new ones came in, I carefully unscrewed the original mortise and checked to make sure the replacements were the same (thread pitch, length, diameter, etc) and they were, and I inspected the threading in the shank and it looked fine, so I put a new one in carefully. When I replaced it, it didn't feel like the threads were loose or tight (like just the right fit, didn't have to muscle or force it to twist in, didn't feel like cross threading, etc).

Like the first, it lasted a few weeks before cracking.

Now, the tenon side is still fine, no cracks, it's not loose in the stem or anything. Even while smoking with it, the stem doesn't feel loose or anything like it's going to twist or fall out. If I put some pressure, the stem will rock a little (I don't put much pressure), and it feels like the part of the mortise side that sticks out of shank is rocking with the stem, flexing at the half-circumference crack (mentioned below), but not necessarily like the whole mortise insert is flexing inside the shank. With the stem off, I can grab the part that sticks out and I gently try to wiggle it and it doesn't seem loose except where the crack is near the outside.

I also included a pic of the stem fully inserted with a light behind it, showing it's ever so slightly un-square, with the tiniest gap at the bottom. And when I push the stem in, it doesn't feel like it needs a bunch of force to go in, but it does fit in snugly.

They've both cracked in the same way, pretty much along the entire length and then part way around the circumference of the part that sticks out from the shank. I tried to get the best pictures I possibly could. I would take the mortise out and get a pic of the shank, but I don't want to remove it until I am replacing it.

Thoughts? Is this a normal thing and/or nothing to worry about? Is this something that should be addressed/fixed? I can't figure out how it's cracking like that or what a cause might be.

The first 3 pics are the original mortise insert, the next two are the current one still in the pipe, and the last one shows the slight gap mentioned earlier:
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sardonicus87

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I am most definitely not smoking too hot, and I'm also most definitely not over tightening. I never tightened or loosened the original one that cracked before it cracked, and when I replaced it, I didn't wrench down hard on it screwing it in, once it stop with light finger pressure, that was it, I stopped, did not put any juice into screwing it in.

I don't even try re-lighting the dottle in this one when I get down to the bottom.
 
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jhowell

Part of the Furniture Now
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That's why they are there... To sacrifice rather than to harm the pipe. They're cheap - I always just keep a few on hand and replace as necessary...

They are injection molded plastic(s) - if the plastic isn't hot enough, or there is a flaw in the mold, - instant fractire line - I wouldn't worry about it...
 

sardonicus87

Lifer
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Well, I took out the current cracked one and compared it to the original and although the threading and everything is otherwise identical, it was about 1.5 more threads longer than the original one.

So the new one, I compared it to the original and cut about 1.5 threads worth off the end (compared to the length of the original, I.E. the current one is cut back about 1.5 threads shorter than the original), we'll see how this one holds up. I'll report back in a month or so if it seems to be not cracking.

Also, I don't think I remembered to mention it, but in the original post, the part where I talk about the slight gap at the bottom of the stem when fully inserted, I am not concerned about that or care about it. That was more to show that I'm not bending anything or driving the stem in extra hard (like as if trying to force it to be squared to the shank).
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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I just realized that several of my new ones have hairline fractures and they crack when you screw them in.
 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
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I just realized that several of my new ones have hairline fractures and they crack when you screw them in.

Yup.

Garbage plastic.

The insane part is that choosing to use it might save the entire Turkish carving industry a hundred dollars every 500 years.
 

sardonicus87

Lifer
Jun 28, 2022
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The one I trimmed back cracked, but I think I figured out the problem.

The issue on mine that I have noticed, the circumferential crack is always right at the outside part or where the edge of the tapped hole is, and it's always in the same upper half. Putting a new one in, I noticed the flange part on the outside butts right against the shank and there's a gap at the bottom between the flange and meer. So what I think is happening is as the meer expands, it puts pressure on that flange part and causes the crack since it doesn't expand at the same rate. I think it would happen even if the tapped hole was perfectly square to the face of the stem.

Glad to hear many other people experienced the same and it seems a normal occurrence. Cheap plastic not suited to the task and disparate expansion rates being the culprit.

It's going to be impossible to keep it from tightening all the way down, but I think if I can make some sort of gasket to go between the shank and that flange, that might help some, keep a squish area. Not sure what would work for that or if it, would even be worth doing.


I don't use twitter or any of those mind sinks. I just didn't feel like reading a book, why can't some people paraphrase, again hope it all works out.
Because then it leads to a million irrelevant questions and posts of "did you do this" or "have you tried X". Head all that off from up front.

I still say my OP is not that long. It's formatted to paragraphs and they're not more than a few sentences each. If you're not going to read it, then don't bother, move on to a 1 sentence post and play the 20 response information gathering game that makes a thread even longer and ultimately results in the same length, just spread out further.

There's plenty of original posts here far longer than mine. If you don't like it, put me on your ignore so you don't even see them then, because I'm making them only as long as necessary, they're never going to be shorter unless there's less to say on the subject.
 
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mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
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I've a meer that uses this standard plastic mortise/tenon setup. The original cracked like yours but the replacement is fine after a decade. However, it is too narrow and causes condensation which makes the pipe gurgle. All in all, it's an awful design. For whatever reason I still smoke the pipe once in a while. I should really get rid of it.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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I've gotten to where I prefer them to the permanent inserts like IMP send Altinay use.