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easygoer

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Jul 31, 2013
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He is what he is. He is pretty good though. I believe the late great Bert Sugar only recent era fighter among his top 100 was Bernard Hopkins. I'm looking forward to see Gennady Golovkin's next bout

 

zonomo

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Nov 24, 2012
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I am glad you brought this up. I was wondering if anyone watches boxing anymore. I remember as a kid, my dad and I would never miss an Ali or Frasier or Holmes fight. But now, it just seems so limited compared to MMA. It always cracks me up when I see boxers try and challenge an MMA fighter and they all say the same thing. "They never been hit as hard as I'm going to hit them". Thats total BS because the MMA fighters are not only as strong if not stronger, but their gloves are much smaller. I think boxing needs to be reinvented. Boxing is like a computer without internet access.

 
Aug 14, 2012
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I still love boxing as much as I did in the Friday Night Fight era of the 1950s. It is a limited form of combat quite exceeded by MMA as proven by how easily Randy Couture stopped James Toney. But when well done, boxing is a joy as a discipline. Tonight's fight is especially interesting because it is the first Mayweather fight in a while that we are not sure who will win. Floyd is the better boxer and should prevail, but if Saul lands 3-4 solid punches on the jaw, consecutively, he could knock him out. I recently re-watched the Alvarez Moseley fight and was surprised at how much trouble Canelo had with an old fighter like Shane. Canelo is also a few pounds underweight, which does matter in a finely tuned body, and he doesn't have the kind of experience that Floyd has. I have to give Mayweather a slight edge in this fight. Wouldn't miss it.

 

kanaia

Part of the Furniture Now
Feb 3, 2013
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Hey foggy: Canelo weighed in at 152 yesterday. I bet he enters the ring tonite at 165 or more. He never agreed to a catchweigh.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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I remember seeing TV fights with Sugar Ray Robinson, Carmen Basilio, Floyd Paterson. I guess I have

mixed emotions now that everyone lives longer, and fighters seem to fade young with their neurological

problems. Having taken boxing in school, and taken a few solid shots to the head, it is easy to believe

that this would take a toll. Mayweather in six, I'd guess.

 
Aug 14, 2012
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It turns out that I overestimated Canelo. He didn't have much of a chance in this fight. He had nowhere near the ring savvy of Mayweather, wasn't fast enough and had an inadequate strategy. Previously undefeated in about 42 pro bouts, last night was when Canelo found out what boxing was all about. Floyd was as good as I have seen him. In great shape and not slowed down at all. He is probably looking to beat Marciano's record of 49 and 0, and will most likely do it.

 

bryanf

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Jul 16, 2013
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Honestly, I respect boxing these days about as much as I respect WWF wrestling. As in, it's all fixed and about money. I will never pay for pay per view boxing again. Judges are on the take, and the boxers are in on it.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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It wasn't Mayweather in six as I predicted. Boxing has always suffered from the shadow of the fix.

I didn't see this one, but the fix was more in the money than in the ring, it seems. Mayweather had

his payday in the contract, and made sure he secured his next one. And Alverez stayed in there.

When the money gets to this level, it's difficult to say what's real. Or what real would look like.

 
Aug 14, 2012
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Boxing has probably never been a totally honest sport. Too much money at stake. But I can enjoy it anyway.

 

zonomo

Lifer
Nov 24, 2012
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I was curious who won because I didnt really see anything from this. This sounds as disappointing as most Super Bowls.

 

brdavidson

Lifer
Dec 30, 2012
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I have to agree Foggy, boxing when done right is magical to watch. That being said, I love the multiple ways to win in MMA and it is comical to hear boxers think they could win a match against an MMA fighter. In a boxing match the boxer would destroy an MMA fighter as the footwork is totally different. I can't stand Mayweather because he never puts it on the line, but he is artistry in motion with incredible skills.

 

kcghost

Lifer
May 6, 2011
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This fight once again exposed one of boxing's biggest problems: The lack of competent judging. How could anyone on this planet watch that fight and think it was a draw??

 

zonomo

Lifer
Nov 24, 2012
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In a boxing match the boxer would destroy an MMA fighter as the footwork is totally different
I'm not sure I agree with this. I think the footwork in MMA is much more versatile because they have to prepare for a kick, a block, a sprawl, etc. I think their boxing skills have come a long way. Remember it used to be just Jujitsu, then it was all about the standup, now guys are winning fights with kicks and slams. It seems that the fighters are are contenders are all pretty complete fighters. I'm not sure any boxer could be Bones Jones.

 

brdavidson

Lifer
Dec 30, 2012
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Probably true Z, I just think that they focus solely on the one discipline and are likely to be better at it just based on muscle memory. I think the straightness of the punches are the difference between boxers and MMA guys. There are lots of looping punches in MMA that likely wouldn't hit the mark in boxing simply because in boxing they only have to worry about the hands, the reason those looping punches hit in MMA is because the defender is worried about a fake punch leading to a takedown or a kick. Moot point, not likely a top level athlete on either side is ever going to make the crossover until their career is almost done.

 
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