Massachusetts Generational Smoking Ban

[PipePint&Cross]

I don't know much about this other than what I heard on The Cigar Authority, but they seem to know what they are talking about. Their point is that Massachusetts has led the way on all the various tobacco regulations, and the rest of the nation eventually follows suit. So, if it does pass there it is a good indication that such a law could eventually be national.

 

[JoeW]

Let us simply ban everything bad and then the world will be a better place. [sarc]

Reminds me of this:

 

[Servant King]

I think people should vote with their feet

That'd be an example of admirable dexterity, certainly would get the attention of everyone at the polling place. Not the ideal venue though; unless you had ample practice beforehand, you'd inevitably be holding up the line, and then folks would start getting pissed.

And writing in a 3rd party candidate? Forget about it...

 

[fireground_piper]

I don't know much about this other than what I heard on The Cigar Authority, but they seem to know what they are talking about. Their point is that Massachusetts has led the way on all the various tobacco regulations, and the rest of the nation eventually follows suit. So, if it does pass there it is a good indication that such a law could eventually be national.

If that's what they are saying, I don't think they have any idea what they are talking about. I'm not sure they were the first to do anything?

 

[K.E. Powell]

Time is such a rag. It doesn't link to the proposed legislation or cite the lawmakers allegedly pushing for this.

 

[wyfbane]

I think people should vote with their feet... Voting with their votes doesn't appear to be working.

Don't come down south though. We can't take all the refugees, we have enough.

As a WA refugee that landed in TN, I agree!

WA tobacco laws/taxes are ridiculous. Much better here.

I got my brother to move, and am working on my other two siblings. Neither will move until their kids are done with school. My brother's girl is likely to win state in wrestling and wants to lock in scholarships and my sister's girl is finishing her dual enrollment associates in science her senior year.

But after that, we are full!

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

As a WA refugee that landed in TN, I agree!

WA tobacco laws/taxes are ridiculous. Much better here.

I got my brother to move, and am working on my other two siblings. Neither will move until their kids are done with school. My brother's girl is likely to win state in wrestling and wants to lock in scholarships and my sister's girl is finishing her dual enrollment associates in science her senior year.

But after that, we are full!

Bring em on. Just tell them to close the gate after they come through.

 

[EMP27]

Time is such a rag. It doesn't link to the proposed legislation or cite the lawmakers allegedly pushing for this.

State Senator Jason Lewis and State Representatives Tommy Vitolo and Kate Lipper-Gatabedian

 

[bullet08]

Somebody, somewhere had a member of his/her/their loved one die by a cancer of some type. Since then, they made it their life mission to take it out on tobacco. Wouldn't it be sad if their dead one didn't smoke, didn't eat red meat, avoided sugar and died due to complications which lead to demise? But a dumb doctor with diploma from God knows where just called it cancer?

 

[PipePint&Cross]

If that's what they are saying, I don't think they have any idea what they are talking about. I'm not sure they were the first to do anything?

Well, I know very little about the issue, but Needham Mass. was the first town in the US to raise the smoking age to 21, eventually the rest of the nation followed. Also, the Make Smoking History site takes a lot of pride in the state's "progressive" tobacco regulations. I also gave the podcast the benefit of the doubt because they are a cigar retailer who left Massachusetts for New Hampshire due to the strict regulations. The owner and host of the podcast has been deeply involved in cigar rights advocacy for decades.

 

[fireground_piper]

Well, I know very little about the issue, but Needham Mass. was the first town in the US to raise the smoking age to 21, eventually the rest of the nation followed. Also, the Make Smoking History site takes a lot of pride in the state's "progressive" tobacco regulations. I also gave the podcast the benefit of the doubt because they are a cigar retailer who left Massachusetts for New Hampshire due to the strict regulations. The owner and host of the podcast has been deeply involved in cigar rights advocacy for decades.

Sure, I suppose. Other history seems to point to Hawaii and the rise of the vape as the catalyst but I’m sure if your are from mass., you’ll have a different opinion.

I know they had the sort of flavor ban (at least for their own residents), but that hasn’t caused a movement either. I just don’t look at MA and consider them a trend setter for other states. Surprisingly, I think most states like doing their own thing.

 

[Zamora]

Sure, I suppose. Other history seems to point to Hawaii and the rise of the vape as the catalyst but I’m sure if your are from mass., you’ll have a different opinion.

I know they had the sort of flavor ban (at least for their own residents), but that hasn’t caused a movement either. I just don’t look at MA and consider them a trend setter for other states. Surprisingly, I think most states like doing their own thing.

A handful of other states and counties have banned flavored stuff but it seems to have stagnated. Most people see it for the overreach it is

 

[fireground_piper]

A handful of other states and counties have banned flavored stuff but it seems to have stagnated. Most people see it for the overreach it is

yes, but I think most of them exclude cigars and pipe tobacco like California which would be a deviation from MA. I imagine most states really like their tax revenue.

 

[HammerandPipe]

Shocking

I find the logic confounding. This is like banning soda but also not banning soda.

 

[Chasing Embers]

I find the logic confounding.

Sign of the times.

 

[georged]

I live in Maryland, which is a batshit crazy, left-leaning state (solely due to the middle portion of the state) so I don't have room to talk about MA, but I'm sick of politicians that are regulating personal freedoms behind the guise of "health." I have a lot more I could say, but I won't because I don't want to venture down the political road and get banned.

However, if "health" was the real reason, we'd be seeing all kinds of other bans, especially technology bans for kids who sit on their ass all day on phones and video games.

Exactly so ^^^^

You spelled the word "politicians" wrong, however. It is spelled "politician$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"

As a life form, they are blood-sucking sociopathic narcissists who make their living by manipulating the emotions of citizens in ways that will benefit THEM.

The end.

They view all other considerations as incidental at best, and those that are not personally beneficial as something to be squashed.

How did the lovely little shitbags come about?

Because humans weren't fast, or strong, or have big teeth & claws... so to avoid being food for those creatures that were fast, strong, and had big teeth & claws (as well as to procure food for themselves), humans had to take the Clever Path. Develop in ways that allowed their brain size, manual-manipulators-on-stalks, and co-operation to prevail.

And they did. Two notable things resulted: 1) The invention of tools; and 2) The mindset necessary to USE those tools effectively on the fast, strong, big teeth & claws crowd. Meaning ruthlessness, deception, aggression, greed, callousness, cruelty, deviousness, dishonesty, and so forth. Ironically, the same behaviors that stopped being necessary once self-sustaining civilization was established, and which are now poisoning it.

We wouldn't have survived without being sneaky ruthless bastards, in other words... but are now stuck with it. i.e. We're wired that way.

The worst artifact is the individuals who possess the greatest amount of sneaky ruthless bastard hardwiring never stop competing with each other for power, wealth, and control by using those behaviors. They can't help themselves. People who just want to live life with mutual respect, decency, and co-operation, on the other hand, exist for them in only one way: A biomass to be manipulated.

Which is all a long-way-round explanation of why tobacco is once again in the news.

 

[filmguerilla]

I love everyone injecting politics into this (as in right vs left). I’m a moderate/independent moving from Tennessee to Massachusetts. And I’ll gladly take their improved schools, better treatment of women’s rights, etc. than the horseshit in this state. Tobacco doesn’t make much money for states, weed does. Of course politicians want to push that. But, hey, if you want to leave Massachusetts and head south, knock yourself out. Just be ready for neighbors who buy their medicine at the Tractor Supply and think Jewish space lasers are real…

 

[fireground_piper]

I love everyone injecting politics into this (as in right vs left). I’m a moderate/independent moving from Tennessee to Massachusetts. And I’ll gladly take their improved schools, better treatment of women’s rights, etc. than the horseshit in this state. Tobacco doesn’t make much money for states, weed does. Of course politicians want to push that. But, hey, if you want to leave Massachusetts and head south, knock yourself out. Just be ready for neighbors who buy their medicine at the Tractor Supply and think Jewish space lasers are real…

That’s a silly statement. Massachusetts pulls in hundreds of millions of dollars per year in tobacco tax revenue.

 

[filmguerilla]

That’s a silly statement. Massachusetts pulls in hundreds of millions of dollars per year in tobacco tax revenue.

This is true, however, according to state numbers revenue has declined 10-12% every year since 2019. This year will clock in at about 300M, while marijuana raked in over 6 billion. With a generational phase out, the numbers for tobacco will continue to decline along with the increase of bans. I still don’t like it, but it seems a better plan than a straight up ban of tobacco.

 

[brian64]

Just be ready for neighbors who buy their medicine at the Tractor Supply and think Jewish space lasers are real…

Everyone knows the space lasers are British. And I used to be able to get a free shower at the Tractor Supply dog wash until someone complained (probably a Yank).