It became ugly fast!
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/11/12/westminster-mulls-banning-all-tobacco-sales-in-town/
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/11/12/westminster-mulls-banning-all-tobacco-sales-in-town/
Mass. Community Says "NO" To Tobacco Ban!
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I read the comments and especially liked this one...
"...Won't somebody pleeeeeeeeze think of the children?? Who cares about your stupid "rights"? If we can give up more and more of our rights to save our precious little snowflakes, where every child is special, then it will all be worth it! Do it now- do it for the children!!"
"Who Cares about your stupid rights?" That's the kind of mentality that so many people seem to have these days. Well, genius, I care about my stupid rights. And many other AMERICANS care about THEIR STUPID rights too. If you don't like to smoke, don't smoke. If you don't want to be around smokers then steer clear of them. Nobody's forcing a cigarette (or cigar, or pipe) in your mouth. Therefore don't try to force those who smoke not to smoke. I care about the health and well being of children as much as the next person, but when people use children as an excuse to regulate or ban things that are meant for adults anyway, it makes me sick. Next it's going to be ban alcohol again... think of the children. Or ban firearms.... think of the children. Or ban freaking twinkies and potato chips.... think of the children. You know what? You should worry more about the pollution from your automobile, or factories, or the methane in cow manure. So maybe you should ban cars, factories, and the beef industry too. Freaking idiots.
"...Won't somebody pleeeeeeeeze think of the children?? Who cares about your stupid "rights"? If we can give up more and more of our rights to save our precious little snowflakes, where every child is special, then it will all be worth it! Do it now- do it for the children!!"
"Who Cares about your stupid rights?" That's the kind of mentality that so many people seem to have these days. Well, genius, I care about my stupid rights. And many other AMERICANS care about THEIR STUPID rights too. If you don't like to smoke, don't smoke. If you don't want to be around smokers then steer clear of them. Nobody's forcing a cigarette (or cigar, or pipe) in your mouth. Therefore don't try to force those who smoke not to smoke. I care about the health and well being of children as much as the next person, but when people use children as an excuse to regulate or ban things that are meant for adults anyway, it makes me sick. Next it's going to be ban alcohol again... think of the children. Or ban firearms.... think of the children. Or ban freaking twinkies and potato chips.... think of the children. You know what? You should worry more about the pollution from your automobile, or factories, or the methane in cow manure. So maybe you should ban cars, factories, and the beef industry too. Freaking idiots.
We ARE thinking of the children, ensuring they still have a few rights left when then grow up.
Giving up ANY of our rights, is denying our children the precious few rights that they'll have left in the future.
Giving up ANY of our rights, is denying our children the precious few rights that they'll have left in the future.
People need to wake up and remember what country we are living in. And if they don't like this country for what it is, for what it is supposed to be, then they should leave for a country that suits them better. And when they end up in a country where they can't pass gas without getting taxed for it, they should be pleased with themselves.
This makes my blood boil, the UK is potentially heading the same way.
Every time I've had this argument with someone they seem to think it's about smoking. In fact it's not about smoking at all, it's about setting a precedent that will allow the government to increasingly encroach on our rights and freedoms. It's all well and good for the government to ban tobacco if you're someone who does not care for it, but what about when the gaze of the puritan turns to alcohol, fatty foods, automobiles, freedom of speech? By then it's too late to complain.
Think of the children indeed.
Every time I've had this argument with someone they seem to think it's about smoking. In fact it's not about smoking at all, it's about setting a precedent that will allow the government to increasingly encroach on our rights and freedoms. It's all well and good for the government to ban tobacco if you're someone who does not care for it, but what about when the gaze of the puritan turns to alcohol, fatty foods, automobiles, freedom of speech? By then it's too late to complain.
Think of the children indeed.
I am sure this is going topic is going to turn very political fast but thanks for sharing this. I hope the folks of that town keep up the good fight. More places should look to this town as an example of what the people can do when they stand up and do something.
"Town health agent Elizabeth Swedberg has the support of nonsmokers like Vicki Tobin, who said she’d like to keep cigarettes out of sight — and mind — of her three young boys.
“I just think it’s a great step in a positive way to promote a healthy town, a healthy lifestyle,” she said."
What are the odds, do you suppose, that Ms. Tobin has alcoholic beverages in her home? Just saying...
“I just think it’s a great step in a positive way to promote a healthy town, a healthy lifestyle,” she said."
What are the odds, do you suppose, that Ms. Tobin has alcoholic beverages in her home? Just saying...
"Fair play to Ms Tobin for obviating her parental responsibilities and passing them to Ms Swedberg, I say"
Do the majority of today's parents actually bother to raise their own children, or do they just blithely pass that responsibility to strangers (television, video games, the Internet, daycare workers, teachers in government schools, sports coaches, etc.) and then wonder why they turn out like these two women?
Do the majority of today's parents actually bother to raise their own children, or do they just blithely pass that responsibility to strangers (television, video games, the Internet, daycare workers, teachers in government schools, sports coaches, etc.) and then wonder why they turn out like these two women?
In my day an A Hole like that would get a good slap and a kick in the butt, we need to go back to that. We have let these people control our life's. Reminds me of my neighbor who was against drinking , dancing and fornication, yet when putting out her trash the liquor bottles were clinking loudly in her garbage bag. Didn't know anyone who wanted to dance or fornicate with her.
they are going to do to tobacco what they did to alcohol in the 20's ban it and see that people will do it anyway, and all the money they will lose in the taxes on it then lift the ban
They'll never ban tobacco use outright as tax revenue is too good to let go of. Of course all that they do to restrict the use is for "the greater good" and "for the children." This is classic sin tax. Here in Colorado it is against the law for the legislature to raise taxes unless authorized by voters ... well let's just ask the voters for an increase in taxes on: tobacco products, gambling and marijuana.
If you need to take something away from others (whether it is rights or taxes), it is the path of least resistance to claim it to be for the greater good.
If you need to take something away from others (whether it is rights or taxes), it is the path of least resistance to claim it to be for the greater good.
"...like Vicki Tobin, who said she’d like to keep cigarettes out of sight — and mind — of her three young boys.
“I just think it’s a great step in a positive way to promote a healthy town, a healthy lifestyle,” she said."
Well, Ms. Tobin, then why not put "out of sight - and mind -" (read "ban") all fast-food restaurants, bakeries, television, the Internet, video games, liquor sales, war, "objectionable" books, movies, and anything else which offends your delicate sensibilities? Just hole-up with your three young boys in an opaque bubble, and you'll all turn out fine!
“I just think it’s a great step in a positive way to promote a healthy town, a healthy lifestyle,” she said."
Well, Ms. Tobin, then why not put "out of sight - and mind -" (read "ban") all fast-food restaurants, bakeries, television, the Internet, video games, liquor sales, war, "objectionable" books, movies, and anything else which offends your delicate sensibilities? Just hole-up with your three young boys in an opaque bubble, and you'll all turn out fine!
Tobacco prohibition will result in the appearance of "smokeeasys" (not to be confused with speakeasys).
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - C.S. Lewis
Do these "parents" think that kids will never see tobacco (or booze, guns, whatever) if they shelter them by banning it? I completely agree with whoever commented above about the abdication of parenting. The reason some/most kids go off the rails on stuff like is that they weren't exposed to it under parental guidance and given information such that they would make wise decisions when their time came.
Do these "parents" think that kids will never see tobacco (or booze, guns, whatever) if they shelter them by banning it? I completely agree with whoever commented above about the abdication of parenting. The reason some/most kids go off the rails on stuff like is that they weren't exposed to it under parental guidance and given information such that they would make wise decisions when their time came.
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