Louisville, KY Legalizes Smoking in Cigar Bars

[Briarcutter]

Of course you can’t smoke at a playground or school…

Not today

 

[anotherbob]

I was completely unaware that there were states that didn't allow cigar lounges. During my adult life I've lived in both PA and WI, and in both states there have always been plenty of cigar lounges where I was welcome to smoke a pipe. I thought that the law in all states was that a proprietor could permit smoking in any establishment that he did not permit minors to enter -- which only makes sense. I'm glad that you're getting this of course, but I'm shocked to learn you didn't always have it!

Recently a local ordinance was being floated to ban smoking in cigar lounges and a few other places. Not the most pro smoking place yet generally the widest opinion was wtf? One argument against was that if you work in a cigar lounge you probably smoke or like it enough to be qualified to work there.

 

[anotherbob]

Not today

yeah you can. No one says anything about it. They do get a little annoyed when you start teaching the kids how to smoke.

 

[KingPiper]

Interesting read. Glad to see this happening.
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We have a bar in Slidell named Whiskey & Ashe that has a sign on the door: Cigar & Pipe Smoking Allowed. No Cigarettes, No Vaping Allowed.

I have some fun memories of Louisville Kentucky from being stationed in Ft Knox for a while. Used to spend my whole paycheck at the strip club in one night then wake up in the barracks the next morning with glitter all over me and no memory of getting home. Good times and I miss all my brothers.

 

[keith929]

Sardonicus87 said;
"The difference is, people need groceries and food, they don't need to drink alcohol at all..."
Maybe where YOU live!

 

[mingc]

So, what did they do with the cigars in a Louisville, KY, cigar-bar before they were allowed to smoke them?

Wait, don't answer that question.

 

[instymp]

Honestly, not just bars, but any private business proprietor should be allowed to choose whether or not to allow smoking, so long as it's reasonable... bars certainly fall under that reasonable expectation, "Baby and Me" or a book store not so much.

But I don't think you should need to be a liquor store or have a liquor license to allow smoking, and I don't think that just because you're a bar that you should have to allow it. If you allow it, people can choose to go to a different bar that doesn't allow smoking if smoke bothers them.

If you're an old bumpkin hole-in-the wall discount grocery store, that's an arguable gray area, especially if you're the only grocery store in a reasonable distance in a rural area where people couldn't reasonably give their patronage to a different store. If you're a hole-in-the wall watering hole and the only one within reason, then it should be allowed if the owner wishes it even though there's no reasonable alternative bar people could go to. The difference is, people need groceries and food, they don't need to drink alcohol at all, let alone in a bar (and that's not some moral anti-alcohol thing, that's reality, drinking is a luxury and not a necessity).

Basically, it boils down to common sense. And of course I'm not against banning smoking in public buildings (like, government buildings... post offices, courts of law, the local utilities department, etc), that's again a case different than a private business.

And if you don't like smoke, don't go there!! Real simple.

 

[Gerald Boone]

Interesting read. Glad to see this happening.
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We have a bar in Slidell named Whiskey & Ashe that has a sign on the door: Cigar & Pipe Smoking Allowed. No Cigarettes, No Vaping Allowed.

For me I definitely do see a difference between the pipe folk and the cigarette folk. A pipe is something you savor, you enjoy; it's so much more slow and thoughtful. The people I know who smoke cigarettes don't seem to have that. When I hand them my pipe they don't like it. So I can see the wisdom in the sign: " Cigar & Pipe Smoking Allowed. No Cigarettes, No Vaping Allowed."

 

[cosmicfolklore]

For me I definitely do see a difference between the pipe folk and the cigarette folk. A pipe is something you savor, you enjoy; it's so much more slow and thoughtful. The people I know who smoke cigarettes don't seem to have that. When I hand them my pipe they don't like it. So I can see the wisdom in the sign: " Cigar & Pipe Smoking Allowed. No Cigarettes, No Vaping Allowed."

Cigarettes also stink, and no one wants to be around them. All pipe tobacco smells 100% better than cigarette smoke. I will allow all cigar and pipe smoking in my house, but if you want to smoke a cigarette, you have to go outside like a bitch. I don't want that awful smell in my house.

 

[SBC]

Cigarettes also stink, and no one wants to be around them. All pipe tobacco smells 100% better than cigarette smoke. I will allow all cigar and pipe smoking in my house, but if you want to smoke a cigarette, you have to go outside like a bitch. I don't want that awful smell in my house.

I'm sure that somebody here can explain the science -- I'm not sure what it is -- but, it is simply the case that while cigarette and cigar smell lingers in a room for days (or permanently in some cases), many (not all) pipe tobaccos are undetectable by the next morning.

There are exceptions. Heavy latakia blends will often still be detectable the next morning. Same with the darker, more pungent VAs. (And of course I assume cigar leaf as well, but I wouldn't know as I don't smoke that.)
But lighter VAs (and cavendish), especially if only one or two bowls are smoked, in a largeish room that isn't completely closed off -- in my experience you can do this several times a week and you'd never know that anybody smoked in the house.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I'm sure that somebody here can explain the science -- I'm not sure what it is -- but, it is simply the case that while cigarette and cigar smell lingers in a room for days (or permanently in some cases), many (not all) pipe tobaccos are undetectable by the next morning.

There are exceptions. Heavy latakia blends will often still be detectable the next morning. Same with the darker, more pungent VAs. (And of course I assume cigar leaf as well, but I wouldn't know as I don't smoke that.)
But lighter VAs (and cavendish), especially if only one or two bowls are smoked, in a largeish room that isn't completely closed off -- in my experience you can do this several times a week and you'd never know that anybody smoked in the house.

No, pipe smells linger, but they still smell a lot better than cigarette smoke. Even latakia smells better. The only pipe tobaccos that leave a smell behind that I do not like are aromatics. They smell ok when burning, but the next day they seem as acrid as cigarettes. Maybe it's the toppings on both aromatics and cigarettes. Don't know, science or not... those are our rules.

When we return back home from travelling, we all love t take in a deep breath of that home smell of pipe tobaccos.

As a side note, I mostly smoke cigars outside and in the summer, but I will finish one inside if it starts to rain. Those don't tend to leave a really negative smell for us, but I just prefer to smoke them outside in the heat. Never really enjoyed cigars in the winter.

 

[SBC]

No, pipe smells linger, but they still smell a lot better than cigarette smoke. Even latakia smells better. The only pipe tobaccos that leave a smell behind that I do not like are aromatics. They smell ok when burning, but the next day they seem as acrid as cigarettes. Maybe it's the toppings on both aromatics and cigarettes. Don't know, science or not... those are our rules.

When we return back home from travelling, we all love t take in a deep breath of that home smell of pipe tobaccos.

As a side note, I mostly smoke cigars outside and in the summer, but I will finish one inside if it starts to rain. Those don't tend to leave a really negative smell for us, but I just prefer to smoke them outside in the heat. Never really enjoyed cigars in the winter.

Interesting. Maybe my smeller isn't smelling. But in our house, with only a few bowls a week, only lighter VAs, we don't think we notice it. Maybe others do and they're too polite to say so ;-)

 

[Briarcutter]

I'm sure that somebody here can explain the science -- I'm not sure what it is -- but, it is simply the case that while cigarette and cigar smell lingers in a room for days (or permanently in some cases), many (not all) pipe tobaccos are undetectable by the next morning.

There are exceptions. Heavy latakia blends will often still be detectable the next morning. Same with the darker, more pungent VAs. (And of course I assume cigar leaf as well, but I wouldn't know as I don't smoke that.)
But lighter VAs (and cavendish), especially if only one or two bowls are smoked, in a largeish room that isn't completely closed off -- in my experience you can do this several times a week and you'd never know that anybody smoked in the house.

I've noticed the same phenomena.

 

[HeavyLeadBelly]

Well, I think I saw this somewhere, but pipe tobacco usually is high quality tobacco and isn’t wrapped in bleached paper like cigarette tobacco. So, crap cig tobacco with bleached paper burning tends to stick in things more so that pipe tobacco and this leading to lingering stank.

ill have a cig from time to time but only outside. I smoke pipes inside with an air purifier and a Wi doe open during nicer days and the lingering smell is not that persistent.

 

[Pipesandbourbon]

Any Kentucky pipe or club or something?

 

[crazyhog]

Cigar lounges in anti-tobacco NY, has always allowed smoking in lounges.