Lord of the Rings pipe....anyone know the maker
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MacQueen Pipes Always been interested in these. Does anybody own one and can they share their thoughts. How about durability?
Do yourself a favor and stay away from MacQueen Pipes, they are notorious for bad service and pipes that are not of decent quality.
Well, this has me vexed.
There is no "Shire Language" in Tolkien's work--The hobbits may have had their own tongue, and several words survive from it; 'Mathom', 'Smial', and so forth. But as of the Third Age and the founding of the Shire, they spoke "Westron" the common tongue. This is simply a fancy, in-universe way of saying "English". So the script for "Westron" is the Latin Alphabet--there is no record of a Hobbit or Shire Alphabet.
Next we can cross Dwarvish off our list. Their "Secret Tongue" was Khuzdul, for which the script was Runic Cirth. Runes are never rounded--they're made for ease of carving into stone and metal, so the characters are all made of straight lines.
Then we come down to Elvish. Note that the Dark Powers used their own tongue, but they did not use a native script. Any writing in the Black Speech was done in an Elvish mode. Tolkien devised three Elvish scripts that I am aware of--Sarati (the earliest), Valmaric (a bridge script between Sarati and Tengwar), and Tengwar, which is by far the most common and well known. If someone was actually going to engrave a pipe band in a Tolkien script, they would probably use Tengwar , or maybe runes.
This isn't Tengwar--or Sarati OR Valmaric. From there I checked it against various real-world scripts. Not Sanskrit, Pali, Devanagari, Arabic, Khmer, Greek, Phoenician. Not Chinese or Egyptian Heiroglyphic--they use ideograms. For that matter, not Demotic or Coptic Egyptian either. Not either of the two Japanese scripts.
Around this point I took a different tack. The pipemaker is a New-Zealander, maybe there's something there. But its not Maori. Not Tagalog. Laotian--now that's close. There are several similar characters--but still not a perfect fit.
At this point my eyes are melting out of my face, so I give up. My own assessment is that it doesn't say anything in any language or script--just a fancy band with random doodles. I hope someone with more knowledge can prove me wrong!
I love that shape, though. Never seen one quite like it.
-Josh
There is no "Shire Language" in Tolkien's work--The hobbits may have had their own tongue, and several words survive from it; 'Mathom', 'Smial', and so forth. But as of the Third Age and the founding of the Shire, they spoke "Westron" the common tongue. This is simply a fancy, in-universe way of saying "English". So the script for "Westron" is the Latin Alphabet--there is no record of a Hobbit or Shire Alphabet.
Next we can cross Dwarvish off our list. Their "Secret Tongue" was Khuzdul, for which the script was Runic Cirth. Runes are never rounded--they're made for ease of carving into stone and metal, so the characters are all made of straight lines.
Then we come down to Elvish. Note that the Dark Powers used their own tongue, but they did not use a native script. Any writing in the Black Speech was done in an Elvish mode. Tolkien devised three Elvish scripts that I am aware of--Sarati (the earliest), Valmaric (a bridge script between Sarati and Tengwar), and Tengwar, which is by far the most common and well known. If someone was actually going to engrave a pipe band in a Tolkien script, they would probably use Tengwar , or maybe runes.
This isn't Tengwar--or Sarati OR Valmaric. From there I checked it against various real-world scripts. Not Sanskrit, Pali, Devanagari, Arabic, Khmer, Greek, Phoenician. Not Chinese or Egyptian Heiroglyphic--they use ideograms. For that matter, not Demotic or Coptic Egyptian either. Not either of the two Japanese scripts.
Around this point I took a different tack. The pipemaker is a New-Zealander, maybe there's something there. But its not Maori. Not Tagalog. Laotian--now that's close. There are several similar characters--but still not a perfect fit.
At this point my eyes are melting out of my face, so I give up. My own assessment is that it doesn't say anything in any language or script--just a fancy band with random doodles. I hope someone with more knowledge can prove me wrong!
I love that shape, though. Never seen one quite like it.
-Josh
I love your passion there, elbert. Did you check Klingon? Ha ha!!
Since it's all made up languages, does it matter?
Since it's all made up languages, does it matter?
LOL
It is a small world. I've had the pleasure of doing some business with RXman and purchased a fair quantitiy of cigars from rx2man. A neighbor and I polished of a "My Father" and Comacho last night from that same order last night with a couple of pitchers of hairy navels.
A couple of weeks or so ago, I had actually put that very same pipe in my shopping basket, then called Dave to ask him a couple of questions before pulling the trigger. I was chagrined when Dave told me I too late because the pipe was spoken for. I had just missed it - he just hadn't had the time to flag the web image as sold.
I was wondering if someone on this site picked up that hobbit pipe. So, now I know.
Drats to you, medicine man. :nana:
So, how does it smoke? The grain looked beautiful in the photos.
Pax
Note: Jan Zeman has mentioned on his web that his retiring from the pipe making business.
It is a small world. I've had the pleasure of doing some business with RXman and purchased a fair quantitiy of cigars from rx2man. A neighbor and I polished of a "My Father" and Comacho last night from that same order last night with a couple of pitchers of hairy navels.
A couple of weeks or so ago, I had actually put that very same pipe in my shopping basket, then called Dave to ask him a couple of questions before pulling the trigger. I was chagrined when Dave told me I too late because the pipe was spoken for. I had just missed it - he just hadn't had the time to flag the web image as sold.
I was wondering if someone on this site picked up that hobbit pipe. So, now I know.
Drats to you, medicine man. :nana:
So, how does it smoke? The grain looked beautiful in the photos.
Pax
Note: Jan Zeman has mentioned on his web that his retiring from the pipe making business.
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