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captainbob

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Oct 5, 2010
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And I'll be helping your next TAD or PAD attack with any royalties you receive from a Captain Bob's purchase, I don't think I've tried an aromatic with latakia in it before.
zanthal,
I turned down the opportunity to receive remuneration in order to keep the sale of my blends on the bulk pricing schedule. That's the way I want it to be. However, you can request that your order be placed in a tin for the nominal fee of $2.50. Not all e-tailers provide CBB tinned. I suggest you place the order direct with C&D on their 800 number. While you're at it, ask for a free sample of Captain Bob's Pot O' Gold Mixture and/or Captain Bob's Ship's Mate Blend. You will find the folks at C&D are wonderful to work with. Please tell them that Captain Bob told you to place the order with them.
Captain Bob's Blend remains the only blend tinned with artwork at the bulk pricing schedule. Thank you for your interest and I truly hope that you will enjoy the adventure. CBB is among the relatively few aromatic blends containing Latakia.

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captainbob

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Oct 5, 2010
765
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Getting back to the topic of blend attributes, I have three blends that I smoke every day. The fact that they are my own C&D blends is irrelavant. So, I will point out the attributes of the three blends that I smoke every day.
Blend: Light English Aromatic containing very light Latakia (1/16th). Not really many of those around. You have to hunt for them. Three Star Blue is one such blend. Milan's Triple Crown is another (its always on hand) but has more Latakia and not necessarily popular with the ladies, if you know what I mean. There are others if you want an aromatic containing Latakia as I do as my main staple.
Blend: A modern style light aromatic with a Burley and Black Cavendish base with a small amount of Red Virginia. The aroma is popular. Think Neopolitan ice cream and you've got it. Yet the tobacco flavor is certainly there to the last puff. Good nic-hit due to the Burley base!
Blend: A real Virginia Medley. Lots of grassy Virginia with a miniscule amount of aromatic. Not really an aromatic to the one smoking it at all. It tastes like a Flake in a traditional cut. A pack and burn tobacco that tastes like a Flake. Unusual and easy with no rubbing-out.
What is the point I am making? Well, I have basically covered all the bases... Aro/Latakia; Burley light aro; Virginia. I love pipe tobacco and this covers the bases. More importantly, I smoke all three every day and use dedicated pipes for each of these blends. The real point I want to make is that I encourage you to smoke more than one blend to avoid tiring our your taste buds. For me, this rotation was the key to not getting sick of one blend. Some can do just one blend and not tire of it. I am not that guy. I must rotate to keep the experience alive! Maybe it is because I smoke the pipe all day long. On average I probably smoke eight bowls per day. That is a lot of pipe smoking. So, if you are always getting tired of a blend, try a rotation and dedicated pipes. It did the trick for me!
My favorite tobacco blend makers are: McClelland, Mac Baren, Orlick, Samuel Gawith, Uhle's and last but not least I will mention C&D. If you smoke tobak from any of these companies, I really think you are smoking the best stuff around. Of course there are others. If you have a favorite OTC and many have truly stood the time test, mention it in this topic. By the way, did I tell you that I smoked Half&Half for 29 years?

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zanthal

Lifer
Dec 3, 2011
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@captainbob - I went to Cornell & Diehl's site finally and it's plain to see, they're a classic american mom and pop shop, god bless them.
I'll take your advice and order direct. Many thanks. :puffy:

 

captainbob

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 5, 2010
765
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I got a PM from Terry and he asks a very good question which I want to share with you along with the answer:
QUESTION:

"Hello Capt. Bob, Just a guick question, when you talk about the "sauce" being put on tobacco for flavor and or aroma...what exactly is that..like a extract such a vanilla ect? Thank you Terry

Sent: 04/12/12 at 03:47:25 AM To captainbob"
ANSWER:

"Yes, it is exactly what you said. However, the flavors used on tobacco are necessarily extremely concentrated so as not to moisten the tobacco too much. A pound of Captain Bob's Blend is sauced with only one-half ounce of sauce! Thus, they are very expensive and run as much as $100 per half gallon! Individual flavors are often mixed together and then applied to a blend. For example, C&D Green River Vanilla Blend is a favorite of mine. The flavors are Honey, Caramel and Vanilla. Another favorite of mine is C&D Two Friends Heritage. The flavors are Plum, Rum and Maple. These flavors are applied by spray or sprinkle in miniscule amounts but are very powerful. They are so strong that if sampled by mouth, they taste horrible. But when applied on a blend the result can be miraculous!

Sent: 04/12/12 at 05:13:39 PM To terry"
Thank you, Terry, for a great question. I wanted to share it with everyone because it is a question I get often.

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doctorthoss

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Oct 6, 2011
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What do I look for? That's entirely a question of my mood. The bottom line is that I like all the genres of pipe tobacco, from burley to Balkan to Lakeland. My biggest problem is I have a sensitive tongue, which means that few blends are ones that I can smoke regularly, no matter how wonderful they taste. All that being said, my favorite flavors are those that come from a deep, slightly sweet, complex Balkan. I love the flavors of burning wood and incense that I get from my favorites, plus I have the attention span of a gnat so I get bored of even the best blends after awhile. I've learned to make "parfaits" of my favorite mixtures, and even have a trio of pipes dedicated to this practice.

 

slowpuffer

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Apr 9, 2012
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CPT Bob,
Thanks for this thread. I have nowhere near your experience, but like yourself, I have always been fascinated about the blending of tobacco and how the process is accomplished. During my time as a pipe smoker, I have definitely learned what I like and I am now maturing to the point where I don't always have to run off and try to make myself like something because another pipe smoker says that it is good. But I digress...
I have two questions that I am my limited research has not answered yet:
1. Casings: I read that you say that toppings are generally applied in small quantities of concentrated forms. Can you give an example? I once poured a small amount of vanilla extract on some tobacco I had "stoved", mixed it, and let it "mingle" for a week and found that some of the vanilla flavor actually came through (although the tobacco was a bit too moist). Is this anywhere near the correct method? Also, what sort of casings are used for "natural" tasting tobaccos like a Virginia flake? What about the "Danish" blends?
2. Virginia processing: could you explain the process behind stoving, pressing, toasting, etc? How are these accomplished? I have a general idea, but I learned that there is more to it than meets the eye (I must admit I once put a whole tin of VA flake in the oven and wound up ruining it!)
Thanks in advance for your insight!

 

terry

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Oct 7, 2011
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This a great thread...very interesting...lets give it up to Capt. Bob for sharing his wealth of knowledge about tobacco. :clap:

 

jvandy77

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Apr 1, 2012
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I would like to find a tobacco that may be described as "woodsy." Had a cigar like this once. But I would also prefer the tobacco to have quite a bit of spice to it, along with a hint of sweetness (maybe honey or vanilla?). I would also want it to be fairly complex, forcing me to search for the flavors and think deep about the tobacco. Thanks for any suggestions you may have!
-Jim

 

captainbob

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 5, 2010
765
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From: slowpuffer
CPT Bob,
Thanks for this thread. I have nowhere near your experience, but like yourself, I have always been fascinated about the blending of tobacco and how the process is accomplished. During my time as a pipe smoker, I have definitely learned what I like and I am now maturing to the point where I don't always have to run off and try to make myself like something because another pipe smoker says that it is good. But I digress...
I have two questions that I am my limited research has not answered yet:
1. Casings: I read that you say that toppings are generally applied in small quantities of concentrated forms. Can you give an example? I once poured a small amount of vanilla extract on some tobacco I had "stoved", mixed it, and let it "mingle" for a week and found that some of the vanilla flavor actually came through (although the tobacco was a bit too moist). Is this anywhere near the correct method? Also, what sort of casings are used for "natural" tasting tobaccos like a Virginia flake? What about the "Danish" blends?
2. Virginia processing: could you explain the process behind stoving, pressing, toasting, etc? How are these accomplished? I have a general idea, but I learned that there is more to it than meets the eye (I must admit I once put a whole tin of VA flake in the oven and wound up ruining it!)
Thanks in advance for your insight!
slowpuffer, Thank you for your kind words. Casings are applied before toppings. Casings are meant to mellow the tobacco to a palatable level. Popular casings most generally used include, for example, Licorise, coffee and chocolate. Then Toppings are applied as the last step. Many tobacco's are initially cased with the general flavors mentioned as well as steamed (as in Cavendish fermentation) to mellow the tobacco. Many "kitcheny" things are used in the tobacco curing process (as in placing tobacco in a roaster with water). Also, cement mixers can be used to create a broken Flake after Pressing the tobacco under tons of pressure! There is so much to say about the processes. I am by no means an expert. What I have learned has been from the wonderful folks at Cornell and Diehl. The different drying, re-moistening, curing, casing and topping methods vary by manufacturer. The differences are not so much determined by initial method as much as they may be influenced by "finishing methods". However, leaf selection (by crop year-to-year), aging, and all the other processes mentioned above do vary by manufacturer. For example, one manufacturer may be different than another in terms of base-style blending. For example, one manufacturer may base a great number of their blends with, for example, a particular Virginia or perhaps specifcally, a Red Virginia, or Red Virginia Cavendish. Keep in mind that a Cavendish is not a particular tobacco, but rather, a particular processing of a tobacco. In other words, a Cavendish is a process not a tobacco. It is a process of fermentation accomplished usually with water, heat, drying and fermentation. Your method is fine. However, it is not a simple process to perfect by any means. Your attempt was a good one. However, the flavorings used for tobacco are much higher concentrated than anything that you could buy. Thus, to accomplish enough influence of your flavoring, it resulted in too much moisture due to the lack of concentration needed in the flavoring. Tobacco flavor ingredients are very expensive because of the concentration levels required. Easily, a hundred dollars a gallon with minimum orders beyond what you and I would consider affordable! I suggest you allow more drying time and then "Top" your blend with the flavor of your choice from the extract section at the local grocery store and then allow adequate drying time. That process can be succefully achieved. I have done that, myself. Just be patient with it and be prepared to accept failures.
2. The VA that you put in the oven was perhaps already prepared as a finished blend, I presume. You are not going to improve it by roasting it. You must start with the "raw" tobacco ingredient and build from there.
There is a very good insight to these concepts at this location: http://pipesmagazine.com/blog/pipe-manufacturer-retailer-spotlight/cornell-diehl-good-ol-american-tobacco/
I urge all of you to watch this video provided to all of us by our great site/Forum Pipesandtobaccomagazine. And, while I'm at it. I truly appreciate this excellent Forum and this excellent site for all of us to learn and appreciate this wonderful hobby of pipe smoking! Thank you Pipes and Tobacco Magazine!!!

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captainbob

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Oct 5, 2010
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jvandy77,
Me thinks you need an aromatic blend containing Latakia. While Captain Bob's Blend is such a blend and those are relatively few, I don't think my blend will conatin the amount of spicy Latakia that I think you desire. Therefore, I suggest you find a suitable "English" style blend you really like, it will always contain Latakia and then mix it with your favorite aromatic. Just remember to write down your formula because if you hit on something you like you will not remember it if you don't write it down. Take my word for that! Based on what you posted, I would suggest one-third C&D Green River Vanilla mixed well with your favorite English blend conatining the amount of Latakia you desire. You will like the GRV as it is flavored with vanilla and honey and I think a bit of caramel. Give it a try. Please, let me know if this works for you.

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captainbob

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Oct 5, 2010
765
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doctorthoss,
You are on the right track! You obviously have experience and know your taste. Keep experimenting. You will get there, I promise. Just continue to look for the tobacco ingredients you desire. Keep records of trials, if needed. I should add, never hesitate to call Craig or Chris Tarler at C&D. These guys are my best friends and they will help you! Tell them that Captain Bob told you to call them with your question. You will be amazed at their response. I promise you that!

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slowpuffer

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Apr 9, 2012
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CaptainBob,
Thank you, your post was very informational and I enjoyed the video. I now am better informed. Also, I believe a couple of tins of C&D pipe tobacco will be in my near future.

 

jaysin

Lifer
Feb 8, 2012
1,083
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Indiana
Ive had untreated tobacco and wow it wasnt too pleasant of a experence.

I Love the english blends in till recently when a member sent me a scottish blend that i liked alot. The only time I smoke aros it when at the inlaws or they are here. I was a heavy smoker with the pipe thrown in every few days for 12 yrs so i seem to like the stronger blends.

 
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