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It is a bit like Tannoy and Hoover then - deemed to be in public use to refer to that item and therefore too popular to trademark? As in “I had the hoover out earlier.” When, in truth, it was a Shark or a Dyson.
I wonder if they use real rose petal essential oil in the sauce, or if that scent/taste is imparted by the leaf. I ask because rose EO is expensive…like somewhere between the cost of gold and cocaine, by weight.
Lakeland tobacco is the corner stone of pipe smoking excellence. Anyone who doesn't consume their body weight in the stuff is nothing more than a limp waisted poet and we all know that poetry is the last refuge of sodomite. If it doesn't taste of Grandmothers laundry basket it just won't do. Bah humbugAll of these "Lakeland" additives are from the historical perfume industry. This is why they smell like old timey soaps, perfumes, colognes, and bath stuff.
The leaf they use is from the regions of the British Empire. This is why they use the term "Virginia" very loosely when they include African Dark Virginias, Malawi, and such... since they are nowhere close to being what we know of as Virginias in America.
In all honesty, I believe that we keep this company going out of a sense of historical preservation. I do like that they have some very strong tobaccos, and I can tolerate some of their topping bathsalt tasting shit. But, I would never chose to smoke something that smells like roses, or rose soaps. If a new company in the US tried using these perfumes in their tobaccos without any link to this ancient company, I don't believe that they would fair very well. But, we can negate our repulsions for long enough to appreciate that some men back in the day were attracted to these nasty flavors, and we even have some men nowadays that prefer them too. But, these are strange people, with an affinity to strange things like spicy curries, hard ass biscuits, and weak limp wristed teas. The rest of the majority of their sales are to the curiosity seekers, new pipe smokers that have heard about these weird flavors and perfumes, that want to see for themself. I am absolutely certain that if GH&co blends were always on the shelf available, that the curiosity seekers could try them to sate their curiosity, and then move on to better tasting offerings by other blenders. YMMV
I use Floris 89 and it does remind me of Grasmere!
When I think of Lakelands, I start remembering the old church ladies that you could smell 250-feet before you saw them. I think they only bathed once a week on Saturday and then just doused themselves in cheap perfume and bath powder the rest of the week.All of these "Lakeland" additives are from the historical perfume industry. This is why they smell like old timey soaps, perfumes, colognes, and bath stuff.
The leaf they use is from the regions of the British Empire. This is why they use the term "Virginia" very loosely when they include African Dark Virginias, Malawi, and such... since they are nowhere close to being what we know of as Virginias in America.
In all honesty, I believe that we keep this company going out of a sense of historical preservation. I do like that they have some very strong tobaccos, and I can tolerate some of their topping bathsalt tasting shit. But, I would never chose to smoke something that smells like roses, or rose soaps. If a new company in the US tried using these perfumes in their tobaccos without any link to this ancient company, I don't believe that they would fair very well. But, we can negate our repulsions for long enough to appreciate that some men back in the day were attracted to these nasty flavors, and we even have some men nowadays that prefer them too. But, these are strange people, with an affinity to strange things like spicy curries, hard ass biscuits, and weak limp wristed teas. The rest of the majority of their sales are to the curiosity seekers, new pipe smokers that have heard about these weird flavors and perfumes, that want to see for themself. I am absolutely certain that if GH&co blends were always on the shelf available, that the curiosity seekers could try them to sate their curiosity, and then move on to better tasting offerings by other blenders. YMMV
And they still exist! It's another reason why I don't go into a Wal Mart unless I really have no other options.
I'd be pretty surprised if blending houses used consumer grade essential oils. I'd guess they source their own food grade sauces/flavoring agents.
Good point. Though when smoking, I feel like I am “consuming”. I guess they’re figuring I wont inhale, which is correct.
Rose geranium oil is around $8/ounce and will go a very long way.
Ain’t that the truth. To all 2 women reading this: Can we ditch the old-school scents like rose, geraniums and lavender? These things make my penis soft.
A buddy of mine told me that he has to take a fistful of Zoloft before he can go in a Walmart. Depresses the hell out of him, ha ha.
I enjoy Coniston and Ennerdale from time to time. The perfume essence burns off quickly but I do enjoy those first few puffs the most. My older daughter hates the room note. She says it reminds her the odor of vintage dress stores.
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To your first question, I haven’t smoked them all, maybe 2/3 of them, so can’t comment on all.
Dark Flake Scented is a geranium bomb for me, and very much loved, Bosun tones down the geranium very much and replaces it with clove- it is also a brighter Virginia which you can taste. Conniston is dark fired with a different sauce, no geranium but complex and floral. RB is medium Virginia with - again for me - anise and nutmeg tones, 1792 is pure tonquin over a lot of Dark Fired Kentucky - wouldn’t consider it a Lakeland. Ennerdale has a lot going on, but there is some geranium there, way in the back, under a lot of sweet scents which can at times taste soapy, or like chewing gum. Glengary I had just a sample, it’s got the geranium, more than Ennerdale, under more sweet flowery stuff, more middle of the road.
Cannon and Grousemoor I’ve never smoked, just smelled from a jar so can’t comment definitively.
Bob’s choc flake I’ve smoked a lot of, it is different, there’s some almond, vanilla, alcohol and of course cocoa in there, and a bit of Latakia which works very well.
Then there’s a question of the “Lakeland essence” you will see on tobacco reviews, I’ve come to think it has two aspects: a) knowing you’re about to smoke a Gawith tobacco from the tin, which happens with a lot of them, even unscented blends like Lakeland Dark and some of the ropes, and b) some of the residual florals bleeding through in blends which shouldn’t have any. Personally I haven’t experienced this, but trusting JimInks’s reviews who has. Thankfully Full Virginia and StJames never had any of this (for me), maybe Gawith is more careful to protect these two and other straight Virginias.
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It's not hard to collect floral essences, but so far the most extreme thing I've blended with Tobacco is Orange Extract.
It would take a lot of experimentation to get the balance right with flower extracts.
It would take a lot of experimentation to get the balance right with flower extracts.
@gawithhoggarth i bet our musings are very entertaining to the staff and owners? 
for real? guess im getting some then.
Oooo... if the magic Gawith wizards are listening... I'd just really love to try some of these blends, like Dark Flake and the ropes, without ANY added flavorings. The ones marked unscented are obviously mislabeled, or your blenders are so overwhelmed with the lakeland sauces they can't taste them any more... but, when marked unscented, it's scented.
It's ok, I still smoked the unscented ones, but I'd just prefer to taste the tobaccos used in these.
It's ok, I still smoked the unscented ones, but I'd just prefer to taste the tobaccos used in these.