Largest Militia in the world

[fordm60]

@aldecaker, you correct about the Liberator pistol. Churchill's orders were to set Europe a flame (that is from memory, forgive me if it is not exactly what he said.) But that was WWII, the last war using bolt action small magazine weapons. Also remember it was to be used to get a better weapon, like a MP40, or MG38 or MG42. A bolt action is better than nothing, but that is not saying much. Combat is combat, you want to kill them before they kill you. Whatever the current OP is ( conventional, or unconventional) you always want as much firepower and ammo as you can carry. Speed, surprise, and violence of action will carry the day.

 

[aldecaker]

Sniping, bushwhacking, and back-shooting. It has the potential to demoralize an occupying force and make the home front call it quits. It's better than not fighting at all, if that's all you've got.

 

[bigpond]

Not wanting to get into this one too much. But I can't stop myself lol. A weapon with five or so rounds is not effective in modern combat. That is why they went the way of the Dodo bird. Once you take fire, you need to take cover or concealment, lay down a base of fire, and immediately gain fire superiority as this makes the "bad guys" more worried about the fire they are now taking which stops them from killing you! This is a good thing for you lol! You do not achieve fire superiority with a small magazine weapon it does not matter what kind of action it has.

It's interesting that the most commonly used American weapon in WWII only had an 8 round mag.

per the 2nd Amendment I have a right to tank and a bazooka strapped to my ass if I want. Whatever weaponry to wage war on a tyrannical government that imposes its totalitarnian will on US Soil. Damn what the megalomaniacs on the left think or laws that they pass. 2nd trumps it.

What you strap to your posterior in the comfort of your own home is your biz but that's not what the 2nd amendment says. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Militia-a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.

all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.
While your wife may consider "your ass" a military force, I'm not sure the argument would pass muster.

 

[fordm60]

As I said WWII was the last war using small magazines. The STG44 used by the Nazis at the end of WWII was the future. If they have 30 rounds plus almost the same maximum effective range and you have 8 you do the math lol.

 

[prairiedruid]

My comment about thinking poorly of some of those who think quantity of shots is better than quality shots come from observations at gun ranges. These are not people you want to lay down covering fire.....more likely they shoot you or those around them with poor muzzle control. Not to mention that even with a large magazine you need to ration your bursts....too many clowns I've seen it's a race to see who can empty their clip first and if they hit the broadside of barn that's a bonus.

 

[fordm60]

@prarie, I understand what you mean lol. They scare me also, most would be kicked off one of my ranges and then I would smoke the living dog urine out of them.
Heck even with a machine gun you usually firing only a 6 to 9 round burst. Barrels get very hot. So yeah, the racers you mention are interesting.

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifles/the-rise-fall-and-rise-of-the-m14/

And then a funny thing happened on the way to the sandbox. With the escalation of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, it was discovered that the M16 wasn’t all that adept at long-range shots and functioning during sandstorms. On the other hand, even with dirt and dust, the M14 excelled in hits out to 750 yards, especially with its magazine stoked with 175-grain M118 Long Range sniper cartridges.
As a result, practically all of the rifles that still remained in storage were called back to duty, where they have been serving with distinction ever since. Today, of course, the evolving tactics of modern warfare have resulted in previously unknown M14 accessories, such as lasers, night vision optics, telescoping stocks and Picatinny rails.

An army using hunting rifles won't do well in close quarters urban combat, but everywhere else I'm betting they wipe out the opposition (barring the use of heavy war machines).

 

[fitzy]

While your wife may consider "your ass" a military force, I'm not sure the argument would pass muster.

Bigpond look up District of Columbia vs Heller and you will see that the Supreme Court ruled "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia"
Which was then upheld in McDonald vs City of Chicago.

 

[bigpond]

Fitzy, obviously firearms are legal for most in the US. Since when have a tank and an RPG been classified as firearms?

 

[fitzy]

I'm not arguing that tanks and RPGs are or are not considered firearms just your comment about the militia where I thought you were saying that to own guns you need to be part of a militia. I may have just misread what you were trying to say. :puffpipe:

 

[perdurabo]

You guys idea of what The US founders meant as far as a militia is a little off. Today we think of groups that are para military, that's not what militia meant. Men brought their firearms with them into service. Each state had its own militia or army and the president had a right to take control of it. Militia is simply a citizenry that can arm itself. Our founders would not have had a problem with the citizenry acquiring the same artillery as the Feds. The 2nd amendment is our protection against tyranny. Although a little wacky, yes you have a right to that tank, technically.

 

[hakchuma]

I don't call them hunters anymore. They are not hunting at all.

 

[perdurabo]

Bigpond that's the new definition that you got from Google

all able bodied citizens eligible by law for military service

That's some of that word smithing that goes on. Militia was used to refer to all men that can work a weapon and is of age. So basically, it's supposed to be the whole American public that's of age.

 

[perdurabo]

I guess " the security of a free state". Means hunting. Hmmmmm Strange. Very Strange.

 

[fordm60]

@frozen, the M14 is a decent battle rifle. But it is more of a specialty weapon. Spec OPs and snipers love them, but they are not a well rounded battle weapon. The M4, M203, M249, M240B all worked just fine in the boxes. Granted pogues had issues with them usually because they do not do weapon maintenance at a high level. Also they love oiling up the weapon, which attracts dirt and debri and causes issues. Not every pogue has this issue, but a lot of them do.
Overall the M4 is a better all around combat rifle than the M14. Grunts can carry much more ammo as 5.56 wieghs less than 7.62. M4 weigh quite a bit less than a M14, allowing more gear to be carried by the soldier. M4 is easy to maintain in the field. M4 allows you to center punch a point target out to 300 meters easily. Then the M4 is not as long and allows effective use in MOUT.