Lakelands - An Attempt To Understand The Famous Gawith Scents

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flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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I was brought up on Merseyside, Merseyide being to Liverpool what Lakeland is to Kendal! Liverpool is an hour's drive from Kendal, less in a souped up Cortina. But like you I lust after Bristols like I do ugly, hairy Scouse bints! Just ruddy do it! LOL !!!

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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Amazing! I was born in Chester then lived in ROCK FERRY from age 5-17!! Well bugger me LOL

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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Woodcote Bank - just off Highfield South - I left in 1971, aged 17. Maybe you should send me a PM - others could be getting bored with our posting "dance of the seven veils" !!! LOL

 
May 31, 2012
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I used to always go to Lake Winnepesaukah when I was a kid...
...this crazy ride could simulate the feeling one may get after smoking one of the more severe Lakelands! :lol:
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Oh,

and just fer th' helluvvit,

here's an obligatory Mersey Beat

documentary video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8VvoVsk9ko

 

bentmike

Lifer
Jan 25, 2012
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Great post mister. Thanks for the history. I like the modern Erinmore flakes and never guessed it was heavily scented back in the day. I'm curious now about investigating this particular style. Ennerdale sounds like a good place to start. I guess I'll put on the next TAD list. I'm already a big fan of SG FVF and BBF.

 

bryanf

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 16, 2013
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I have recently begun a new method of packing to bring out even MORE flavor from Ennerdale! I cube it, then rub out lightly. The flavor just explodes and I'm loving it. A little more effort, but I think worth it, now.
Ennerdale tastes nothing like FVF or BBF, just to warn you. To me it tastes like Christmas Fruit cake, or Mezcal. A mix between the two. Since I like both, I love Ennerdale! Once you get used to it, from smoking hundreds of bowls, you will search for those flavors, and mostly taste the tobacco- but it takes a while.
If you decide you like Ennerdale, but want more "kick", then you will love Condor. I find a mix of 50/50 Ennerdale flake/1792 flake is pretty potent!

 

bentmike

Lifer
Jan 25, 2012
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Well I just cracked open a new tin of Ennerdale and now after experiencing the "essence" for the first time re-reading this post again is even more entertaining! When I opened the wrapper and took a big whiff I really did laugh out loud. How'd they get my Grandma in this tin -Shes been gone for years! 8O
After smoking the first bowl I'm not sure. It will take a few more to come to any kind of conclusion. I'm not turned off by the peculiar aroma and I can certainly sense the fine Gawith tobaccos underneath but it's a different smoking experience to say the least. What I did like is how the perfuminess dropped down a notch or two as I got down into the second half of the bowl. Still though it is like a slap in the face.
Thanks bryanf for your recommendations I probably will try the Condor at some point.
Mrlowercase -Thanks again for the great piece and prodding me along to take another step on this grand journey of pipe and leaf discovery.

 

bryanf

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 16, 2013
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For something very close to condor, try GH dark flake scented, or SG bracken flake. I have now found both to be a satisfying replacent and very similar. Less violet flavour, but the same dark fired virginia and kentucky power!

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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I find a mix of 50/50 Ennerdale flake/1792 flake is pretty potent!
These were my first two Lakelands. Like night and day they are. And yes, I did eventually mix them.
By the by, I like the tinned Ennerdale much better than the bulk. There's a bit more of the "shampoo" aroma in the tinned.

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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@Roth, correction - Lose "Lakeland Essence"-flavoured tobaccos. Point of order!! lol Granny's knickers!!! LOL

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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BTW, Lakeland fans, if you haven't had a chance to try Grasmere (only recently available in the US, I believe), it's worth a try. It's a light brown and bright VA flake with Rose and Geranium essence. It's very light and soft -- not at all bitter (no smoky dark fired, no musk, etc.). The rose and geranium are soft and floral to start, but by mid-bowl it's mostly a very satisfying, slightly sweet VA flake in the Lakeland style. Good burning and no fuss.

 
May 31, 2012
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Okay,

I'm going back to re-evaluate this stuff, after sitting in the cellar a couple of months, it may smoke different from when it was super fresh. I actually want to love this stuff, and find it to be a major temptress in that it has a backbone yet smells of the wild prairie --- for sure, it evokes a mood and I much appreciate that aspect...
...my dumb-ass rantings in regards to the snuff influence, are just that, dumb-ass rantings. I could hardly know. But it is peculiar how the Lakelands scented harken back to ye olden timey...
...back in the 1700's it seems most baccy was smoked straight, with an exception being "sweet scented", there was Negrohead and Cavendish, but what was actually available still eludes my fixing glass, so, I readily admit to conjecture and nothing should come of it...
...just now I've been reading Compton Mackenzie's masterpiece "Sublime Tobacco', inwhich he states that "...snuff and perfumery were kindred trades. the earliest reference to snuff in the O.E.D. is taken from London Gazette of 1683..."
But really, the sweet scenting could apply to all tobacco in general for all I know, I wasn't there and can only hobble together what tatters remain, and for what purpose I know not, but...
...in this F&T book, a mixture doesn't show up until 1859, given, before then were available the Negrohead, Cavendish, or Sweet Scented...

http://archive.org/stream/oldsnuffhouseoff00evaniala#page/n91/mode/2up



"When nothing else subsists from the past, after the people are dead, after the things are broken and scattered· the smell and taste of things remain poised a long time, like souls· bearing resiliently, on tiny and almost impalpable drops of their essence, the immense edifice of memory"


-Marcel Proust

"The Remembrance of Things Past"
I could possibly refer here to a wonderfully titled tome of The Toilet of Flora, which includes the odd snuff recipes, but instead I'll point to a very cool little presentation...
...which here in slideshow plus audio commentary gives a fulsome view of Kendal and its role in tobacco manufacture, very well done!

http://www.stricklandgate-house.org.uk/historic-kendal/the-kendal-snuff-story
One of the oldest Gawith tins I've come across is this:

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...and now to another instance of the Kendal houses using the term Lakeland themselves:

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More snuff:

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And finally, for what it's worth, words from the immortal Cope's...
"The essential oils referred to form a very expensive item to the manufacture of snuff. The ladies would be much surprised to see a dusty snuff-maker drain off five pounds’ worth of pure unadulterated otto-of-roses into a tin can, and as they (the ladies) would suppose, throw it away on a heap of what would appear to them rubbishy dust in one corner of the snuff-room. Of course the ladies would consider the proper place for it to be on the cambric handkerchief, but this idea would be about the last to occur to your matter-of-fact snuff-maker.
In addition to otto-of-roses, the scent-room contains great jars of essence of lemon, French geranium, verbena, oil of pimento, bergamotte, etc., all of which are used in the various flavoring combinations. There would most likely also be a few hundred-weight of fine Tonquin beans, and one of these beans is generally presented to any visitor who drops in, as souvenir to carry away in his waistcoat pocket."

 

jarit

Can't Leave
Jul 2, 2013
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Thanks again to monsieur minuscule for more info on matters Lakeland.
Also, rather serendipitously last weeks QI episode had a bit about Kendal and snuff:
QI snuff scene

 

fitzy

Lifer
Nov 13, 2012
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NY
Fantastic posting by the OP.
I have tried a few Lakeland essence blends and have found them to taste exactly like soap to me. I've even tried other tobacco's from G&H that I thought should have no Lakeland essence such as Bright CR Flake and I swear I can still taste the soap. So either I'm crazy or as the earlier poster mentioned, it shows up in their tobacco even unintentionally.

 

jarit

Can't Leave
Jul 2, 2013
333
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I haven't eaten much soap, but I do get a whiff of lavender or some other floral scent in all unscented G, H & Co's I've tasted; Bright CR, Dark Flake, Brown Flake etc. It really does appears only when first lighting up the bowl, and doesn't bother me at all. I haven't noticed this phenomenon in any of SG's unscented tobaccos.

 
May 31, 2012
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Tusen tack jarit!
That's a great vid and you're right, it's serendipitous!
LOL @ " monsieur minuscule " !!!

:lol: Most excellent! You win the James Joyce award!
btw, are you in Finland?

I give you my jammy jabberwock such forth:
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And here's another old tin, this the Skiff:

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Manufactured in the heart of the English Lakeland for 150 years
...some of these old labels look like maybe they went to a cutter-top type tin?

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A different design than the usual squadron Leader...
Sluggo is bored because he knows not the infinite graces within the noble Lakelands,

and at such loss he'll degenerate into wicked bohemian circles, off to join up with

those filthy Paisley Flake Dobie's smoking Dharma Bums!

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...some old pictures from the Gawith factory:

http://www.davenapier.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wills/tobacco.htm
From what I've gathered, there once was a goodly portion of scented tobaccos available in the UK, stuff like the long gone Godfrey Phillips Grand Cut, Players Sherwood, Linden Flake and Sliced Aromatique, Erin Isle, G. Smith Old London Sweet Cut, Honeyrose De Luxe, Fairmorn Dark Flake, Manchester Mahogany, and Ogden's had many, like Cobnut and Redbreast, Royal Navy, St. Bruno, Royal Hunt, No. 8 Flake Scented etc etc and many more lost blends which time has forgotten --- I'd love to pick the brain of an old well-seasoned pipesmoker who grew up with all these various tobaccos available - firsthand experience can be valuable regarding such topics, but not many back then bothered to write it all down except in a few instances, our knowledge of such the golden-age tobacco past is severely limited.
Finally, I don't really know why, but here's the review page for Lakeland Brickle inwhich it sez:

"Over the past decade, the popularity of the Lakeland tobaccos, with their stout body and unusual flavors, has exploded. In fact, they’ve grown to such a point that availability is now a big issue. What differentiates these blends from everything else are their strength and the old-fashioned “scents” they use. They also make quite a few of their tobaccos in the form of flakes, cakes and ropes. In the last year, we’ve only received a few shipments of these sought-after blends, even though we could sell five times as much if we could get it. Due to numerous requests, we have developed a new tobacco called Lakeland Brickle. We start with a combination of Virginias (mostly red), along with dark, tangy Burleys (which add depth, spice and strength) and infuse them with traditional Lakeland-style flavors such as rose and a tonquin-type (among others), but with a light hand to avoid the “soapiness” that some people dislike."



http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend_detail.cfm?ALPHA=M&TID=4296
:puffpipe: :!: :puffpipe: :?:

 

bentmike

Lifer
Jan 25, 2012
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That Skiff tin is cool mister. You can even see the pipe in the guy's face. I like that art much better than the current revision:


 

andrew

Lifer
Feb 13, 2013
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Winnipeg, Canada
The last thing I need is to fall in love with another blend and then have to buy 10 pounds of it. lol
Do yourself a favor then and never try G&H brown flake u/s, Bright cr flake, or kendal flake, as they're all extremely excellent as well as bb#2. I have a bit of the dark flake u/s and find it to be a bit too strong for my liking. After trying a sample of all of those blends I ordered 8 ounces each but wish I'd just have gotten the 500 gram box which I'm going to do with the kendal flake. I've never even tried any SG but G&H is simply amazing. I can't even pick up the cross over essence people talk about anymore on the unscented flakes, if anything it's a slight almond nutty flavor and it's freaking amazing.

 
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