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supperthyme

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From what I've seen, children whose fathers engage them throughout life tend to be children of character and moral fortitude.

You're exactly right. What we're seeing today is a direct consequence of the dissolution of the nuclear family and the rise of single parenting. The role of the father is often entirely minimized, belittled and outright scoffed at by 3rd and 4th wave feminists.
 

americaman

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This thread made me think of the article I just read about Oxford University banning clapping to stop those of a nervous disposition from suffering an anxiety attack, apparently they are now going to use 'jazz hands' instead.

This has been going on for a few years now. When I was in grad school last year some students would snap their fingers instead of clapping so as to not trigger people. It’s quite comical to see.
 

mso489

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I'm skeptical on judgements by the older generation of the younger, or most judgements by any generation about the older or younger group. There are always tensions and criticisms. The kid in the original post doesn't look hardened in a beneficial way, just poor and neglected. There are currently strong resentments of the "Baby Boomers," some justified. But I would politely say, whatever the judgements may be, the Vietnam vets experience is entirely different from that of the non-vet cohort of Boomers. I watched the movie "Woodstock" on the mess deck of a minesweeper. It looked a lot different to me. I didn't feel adversarial or left out. But it looked different, like something from another nation, which in effect it was. So we have a lot to understand about what's going on with another generation, and it's hard work.
 

Bowie

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You're exactly right. What we're seeing today is a direct consequence of the dissolution of the nuclear family and the rise of single parenting. The role of the father is often entirely minimized, belittled and outright scoffed at by 3rd and 4th wave feminists.
Agreed, and TV shows and commercials get the most mileage out of portraying fathers as helpless doofuses, if they are around at all.
 

condorlover1

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Dec 22, 2013
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When I was a child we went fishing, hunting, climbed trees and built carts out of old cycle wheels and soap boxes. You fell out of trees and broke bones and no one sued. We never wore crash helmets and somehow survived our childhood. We made our own fireworks/explosives and no one got turned into a skid mark. Today kids live in their iPhone and never are exposed
 

unadoptedlamp

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Condor- Unfortunately, I think kids these days have it worse than many generations, in my opinion. I have a young son (9 years old), and I'm quite concerned about his future, as all parents are, but I fear this landscape is vastly different from before.

I don't have a cell phone (never have), and even so, the pressures on him and his peers is immense, even at that age. Parents with kids just a couple of years older are already dealing with sexting, addiction, bullying, etc. in ways that were never on my radar growing up. I've heard first hand horrific accounts. A colleague of mine was dumbfounded when he realized his 12 year old girl was sending pictures of her boobs to kids who pressured her, not knowing what it meant. That's just the start.

A lot of adults do not know about the danger, or they do and are simply unwilling to confront it, maybe because it is so nebulous and frightening and they don't have a sense of control.

The potential for abuse, whether it is extreme bullying -a generation ago, you just had to suffer it at school, but now they can get a text at 3 am calling them a stupid bitch or worse- exposure to varying degrees of extreme pornography, relentless advertising, and not to mention the addictive nature of those devices.

It's a mountain of shit that has been piled on to them, mostly by parents who have given kids these tools of truly awesome power (not always in a good way), but not the responsibility or training for how to use them. The parents themselves are often in the dark, completely clueless to what they have sprung upon an unsuspecting generation of guinea pigs. They don't know how to use this technology responsibly themselves, let alone being in a position to teach kids about it.

No, I give kids these days a lot of credit. They're dealing with pressures that few before them have ever known. Hopefully they can make it to the other side without being completely damaged. Or maybe every generation is somehow shat on, who knows.

As for my son, we've been scaling intimidating, technical mountain peaks on several different continents since he was 3. We paddle oceans around the world in conditions that make most sailors do a double take and go on extended jungle treks, unassisted, among a bag of other pretty serious adventures.

In short, we have put him through the ringer, and he's just 9 years on this planet.

Aside from being a lot of fun for all of us, I seek out these challenges with him as a sort of preparation for the real trials that are to come. It's not the mountain, jungles or challenging ocean conditions that put the fear into me, inherently dangerous as they are, but these little black hole devices that push kids into truly horrific territory at ages when they are unequipped to deal with the onslaught of the very worst of the adult world.

Despite what some people want to believe, desperately hope to believe, there really is no kid filter for all of the madness you can find in the online, connected world in which they live. They're drinking from a firehose that's connected to the greatest cesspool humanity has created.

Respectfully, I disagree. The kids are doomed, and not because they are weak. I'm surprised more aren't cracking under the pressure.
 

unadoptedlamp

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I'm not. I will no doubt damage him in some way, as most parents eventually manage to do!
 

sablebrush52

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My father worked long hours to provide for us, so my childhood interactions with him were sporadic and highly prized. My three older brothers provided a lot of interaction. But I remained keenly aware of the space left. So when I became a parent I made a decision to spend time with my son, a decision that I don't regret. Okay, maybe occasionally, but not often, and never after 10 PM.
Every generation thinks the one following is made of inferior stuff, somehow originating from an alien planet.
This generation is coming to grips with a highly interconnected virtual world. Social media is a very mixed blessing, delivering a world of promise and bullshit. Parents are well advised to get their collective heads out of their keisters and connect with their drooling progeny.
 
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fishingandpipes

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I actually think zoomers are pretty awesome so far. Gen X and Millennials were largely thrown back in shock at what the boomers left behind and I don't think they knew how to react. Zoomers were brought up with it in perfect focus, it's impossible to miss, now. They shit on Gen X and Millennial in kind as well.

I do love the trend that occurred in the past decade or so of "Millennials killed XYZ, they'd be rich if they didn't eat avocado toast, etc" and now there are literal articles in the literal New York Times all "Millennials killed generational congeniality".
 

fishingandpipes

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Honestly, I've mentored a fairly gender-fluid younger person at work, and I feel like they think I'm blind because I don't ask about it. I think they're just putting up emotional armor against hardships they've faced before, and for good reason. I know for a fact other managers have been challenged in dealing with them.

It just doesn't matter.

If you treat someone weird, they're going to put their armor up. No one's hair or piercings or tattoos or avocado toast or proclivities impact you at all. Just treat people like people, because that's what they are.

Younger generations got dumped into a world where their parents bought houses for 20k and went to college for peanuts and worked the same stable job for 30 years. Now kids are walking out with six figures in debt and houses that cost half a million dollars and jobs that haven't increased wages in line with inflation that last two years max, and the older generation is like "but I did it so why can't you".

Let them dye their goddamn hair, come on.
 

brian64

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houses that cost half a million dollars

There are other options.

At least it's cozy:

800 dollars per month for a 2.9-square-meter box in California.

Capsule living: a 'cheap' option for young people flocking to LA

Each capsule contains a single bed, a bar for hanging clothes, a few compartments for storing shoes and other items, and an air vent

 

briarbuck

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This pretty much sums up how I feel about all of it....
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mso489

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I feel lucky to have been a child when there was considerable freedom between school letting out and supper, and on weekends. I'd take my bike and go off with friends, and checked in on schedule, and no one worried about me. There were some killings of children in my large urban area, but it was considered grotesque but rare. Today kids move from one supervised activity to the next, and then home to their room and/or devices, pretty much in custody all the time. I was always a rover and roamer, and it would not have been a happy or productive life for me. Vast student debt -- and it is vast -- means little independence, no exploring of careers, no marriage before mid-life, and few if any kids. Some young people excel or wangle their way, but the is not the general experience. It has to change, which will probably involve sacrifice.
 
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