Kentucky and Oriental Blends

[Old_Newby]

First as a Newby (smoking 4 years now) I often have a revelation that many others have had and it’s already been discussed. But as I was researching sweet tobaccos the names virginia, oriental, and dark fired comes up. I have found and tried some V/O blends, and some V/DFK blends, so I went to SP and filtered on DFK/O blends and they do not exist? Not even a DFK/O/Cavendish exists?

Is this true or is the filter in error or does anyone carry a DFK/O blend, or is it a known horror blend to avoid?

 

[ThermionicScott]

Have you tried much from Gawith Hoggarth & Co? They use a lot of African and Indian leaf that doesn't seem to fit into the usual categories.

Scotch Mixture might be up your alley, "sun-cured" often (always?) being a synonym for Orientals: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/gawith-hoggarth/scotch-mixture/product_id/4006

 

[fireground_piper]

Just to be clear, you want it without the Virginia? So not a VA/DFK/O blend?

 

[Old_Newby]

Just to be clear, you want it without the Virginia? So not a VA/DFK/O blend?

Yes. Was just thinking there would be a DFK/Oriental only, or a DFK/O/Cavendish. But without Virginia or Burley or Latakia or Perique or Cigar or Deer-tongue, etc.

It’s ok if none exists but it just surprised me.

 

[woodsroad]

Mix it up yourself, it ain't rocket science. Add one tobacco to the other (or the other to one), mix well, smoke, tweak, lather, rinse repeat until either the blend is perfect or until you think your hair is clean enough.

DFK: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/cornell-diehl/dark-fired-kentucky/product_id/207628

Oriental: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/cornell-diehl/izmir-turkish/product_id/79412

Report back!

 

[FLDRD]

Have you tried much from Gawith Hoggarth & Co? They use a lot of African and Indian leaf that doesn't seem to fit into the usual categories.

Scotch Mixture might be up your alley, "sun-cured" often (always?) being a synonym for Orientals: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/gawith-hoggarth/scotch-mixture/product_id/4006

I really enjoyed Scotch Mixture.

 

[Old_Newby]

Mix it up yourself, it ain't rocket science. Add one tobacco to the other (or the other to one), mix well, smoke, tweak, lather, rinse repeat until either the blend is perfect or until you think your hair is clean enough.

DFK: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/cornell-diehl/dark-fired-kentucky/product_id/207628

Oriental: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/cornell-diehl/izmir-turkish/product_id/79412

Report back!

will give it a try.

 

[Waning Embers]

The first time I've heard "sweet" used for Dark Fired or Orientals.

 

[Old_Newby]

Mix it up yourself, it ain't rocket science. Add one tobacco to the other (or the other to one), mix well, smoke, tweak, lather, rinse repeat until either the blend is perfect or until you think your hair is clean enough.

DFK: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/cornell-diehl/dark-fired-kentucky/product_id/207628

Oriental: https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipe-tobacco/cornell-diehl/izmir-turkish/product_id/79412

Report back!

will give it a try.

 

[Old_Newby]

The first time I've heard "sweet" used for Dark Fired or Orientals.

Yea i was actually searching for what Virginia plant was sweetest and what part of world grows tobacco with highest sugar content and Orientals came up before Virginias. I did not believe it per say but started looking for V/O blends and BiJou and Sun Bear popped up which I have tried and liked. Since I do like DFK also and it has a BBQ sweetness to me I wondered if a DFK/O blend exists. None. The only DFK/O/V blend that exists is CD Firebird Flake. no worries. The professional blenders must know something I don't know. Probably DFK and O are lead components and mixing them would be like mixing coffee and coca cola.

 

[fireground_piper]

Savinelli 140th was a good va/o/DFK but it’s certainly Va dominant.

 

[ThermionicScott]

Orientals definitely have a little sweetness to me. The sun-curing lets them keep a little more sugar than if they were air-cured.

Now I think I understand the question a little better. Maybe you could try C&D Byzantium or Balkan by Brebbia. Both have Perique, but don't use Virginia or Burley as a base.

 

[ThermionicScott]

P.S. Also, McConnell Latakia Flake for a Lat/DFK/Cavendish blend.

 

[ThermionicScott]

P.P.S. Mixing coffee and Coca-Cola is actually good.

 

[lazar]

Look into the HU line. Pretty sure they have a DFK/Or, but not without VA.

 

[Old_Newby]

P.P.S. Mixing coffee and Coca-Cola is actually good.

I hope you're joking, but to each his own.

 

[khiddy]

I hope you're joking, but to each his own.

Nope, he’s entirely right. It’s a fantastic combination. Cold coffee, obviously.

 

[fireground_piper]

Coca-Cola used to sell it.

 

[lukasstrifeson]

Yea i was actually searching for what Virginia plant was sweetest and what part of world grows tobacco with highest sugar content and Orientals came up before Virginias. I did not believe it per say but started looking for V/O blends and BiJou and Sun Bear popped up which I have tried and liked. Since I do like DFK also and it has a BBQ sweetness to me I wondered if a DFK/O blend exists. None. The only DFK/O/V blend that exists is CD Firebird Flake. no worries. The professional blenders must know something I don't know. Probably DFK and O are lead components and mixing them would be like mixing coffee and coca cola.

I feel like people want to pin down this mathematical approach to taste and it just doesn't always work that way. The same ingredients in different ratios and preparations can taste very differently. I've had some very high sugar content virginias that still tasted very bright and grassy.

 

[Old_Newby]

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Coca-Cola used to sell it.

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well doggie…. never heard of it.