Stinger size matters I think. Later 2 digit pipes that have a long big ball stinger (like a 51S) might have an older stinger simply because that size wasn't used as often later. And in fact eventually disappears. So I guess it was a case of gradually using up old stock stingers.
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Sad news on Mayers in NY. I visited the shop 7-8 years ago.
http://www.ithaca.com/news/mayer-s-closing-after-years-of-business-in-ithaca/article_8da1c85e-d62a-11e3-8c1b-0019bb2963f4.html
http://www.ithaca.com/news/mayer-s-closing-after-years-of-business-in-ithaca/article_8da1c85e-d62a-11e3-8c1b-0019bb2963f4.html
misterlowercase, Like sablebrush52 I rely more on shank stampings. The stampings are far more helpful in dating a Kaywoodie.
xrundog, I think stinger size may actually be helpful for dating a Kaywoodie. I would think the airway must be drilled differently for the longer, large ball stingers. I would then presume that a stummel fitted for the older-style is stinger is also older than a stummel fitted for the later, smaller stingers. I could be wrong on this. Whatever the case, the usefulness of dating a Kaywoodie by stinger size is probably limited to a small number of pipe lines that are old but which emerged after the Aged Bruyere and four-digit stamps gave way to the Imported Briar and two-digit stamps.
xrundog, I think stinger size may actually be helpful for dating a Kaywoodie. I would think the airway must be drilled differently for the longer, large ball stingers. I would then presume that a stummel fitted for the older-style is stinger is also older than a stummel fitted for the later, smaller stingers. I could be wrong on this. Whatever the case, the usefulness of dating a Kaywoodie by stinger size is probably limited to a small number of pipe lines that are old but which emerged after the Aged Bruyere and four-digit stamps gave way to the Imported Briar and two-digit stamps.
ssjones, That is indeed sad news. I cannot say that I ever visited the shop, but I am always sad to see such places shuttered. I hope the John Dengler shop in St. Charles, MO, can survive. When last I spoke with the proprietor, he was in the process of dropping some classic tobacco lines and adding sweeter aromatics in hopes of winning younger customers as the older customers dwindle in number. He also said he simply cannot obtain some of the ingredients (e.g., deer tongue) needed for the store's classic mixtures. Between his blending woes and the opening of a "vape" shop across the street, the future of his store seems more tenuous than I would like to contemplate.
rsuninv, What a great old (1929-1932) Lovat. Kaywoodie only called it a "Medium Saddle Billiard," but it looks like a Lovat to me. I bet that is a sweet smoker.
Gentlemen,
I have been having trouble dating a "Flame Grain Kaywoodie", stamped "68B" (with the 6 stamped much deeper than the rest) It is a small billiard shape and 4 hole stinger with no markings on it. Also the mouthpiece has inset on top what looks like a ruby where a stamped logo should be. The stone catches the light well enough I was worried it may be cut glass, but am now thinking it is genuine. Any thoughts? I have looked at the Kaywoodie master list and other sites but have never seen the 68B described as billiard. It was described as bulldog in 1955....? I think. Any help would be most appreciated.
Michael
I have been having trouble dating a "Flame Grain Kaywoodie", stamped "68B" (with the 6 stamped much deeper than the rest) It is a small billiard shape and 4 hole stinger with no markings on it. Also the mouthpiece has inset on top what looks like a ruby where a stamped logo should be. The stone catches the light well enough I was worried it may be cut glass, but am now thinking it is genuine. Any thoughts? I have looked at the Kaywoodie master list and other sites but have never seen the 68B described as billiard. It was described as bulldog in 1955....? I think. Any help would be most appreciated.
Michael
Evidently a 68B was called a "Kaywoodie Standard" from 1939-1952, and is considered a medium billiard and has a long stem. This information I got from Worthopedia where one had sold in 2013. Mine has no "Standard" marking but looks exactly the same except for the missing logo on the stem. I've been over it with a magnifying glass and sure enough there are no 4 digit numbers on the shank, and no numbers or markings on the threaded aluminum fitment. I wondered why the chart on kaywoodiemyfreeforum gave only 1938 for the shape number...Name change? Admittedly, there are gaps in information and theirs come primarily from catalogs. I can only guess my pipe was only made in 1938, OR after 1953. All script is in print with no cursive, I also saw an advertisement for same looking billiard from 1969 but "flame grain" was in cursive script. No mention of briar on my pipe either.
@mayfair,
Standard is just a grade. some where I have a list of kaywoodie pipe grades and I believe flame grain is somewhere in the upper middle of the list. Connoisseur I believe was the top While the 500 and 600 series were on the bottom. One of these other gentlemen may have that list or be able to correct me.
Standard is just a grade. some where I have a list of kaywoodie pipe grades and I believe flame grain is somewhere in the upper middle of the list. Connoisseur I believe was the top While the 500 and 600 series were on the bottom. One of these other gentlemen may have that list or be able to correct me.
Here's a Flame Grain with 4-hole stinger that I restored.
http://rebornpipes.com/2014/09/05/kaywoodie-flame-grain-99b-restored-pre-1955/
http://rebornpipes.com/2014/09/05/kaywoodie-flame-grain-99b-restored-pre-1955/
@Mayfair - We most certainly need pictures.
The Flame Grain was briefly the top of the regular offerings, but after WWII fell fairly quickly.
The Flame Grain was briefly the top of the regular offerings, but after WWII fell fairly quickly.
Sorry about the delay. My party was waylaid by a rogue band of Goblins; our Wizard nearly died and there was much confusion. However, I did manage to preserve the camera containing the photos I had taken earlier in the day.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3920-600x444.jpg
This is the Kaywoodie next to my first pipe, a Sasieni second straight Bulldog, where a village or town in cursive script has been stamped over with MAYFAIR. This is inside under an incandescent bulb and you can see the fire in the ruby even under this feeble lighting.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3909-600x211.jpg
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3908-600x235.jpg
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3910-600x198.jpg
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3907-600x228.jpg
Even in indirect sunlight, this ruby glows. I only gave a spitshine to the exterior briar as it was dulled with residue. But I cleaned the stem, shank and inside bowl with pipesweetener using pipecleaners, Qtips and a reamer. The dark area of the rim toward the shank is slightly burned and has a nick out of the inside. Nothing major and it gives a little character to my new friend.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim39141-600x423.jpg
My camera and I don't always get along. This is natural outdoor lighting and I am to lazy too change the F-stop.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3911-330x600.jpg
Again, that fire screams Burmese and if this is from the forties or early fifties, this ruby would be easier to get than the past thirty years and probably about as much as the pipe itself to buy (probably less) and set in the stem.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3916-600x385.jpg
Here is the 68B shape number, I really love the grain on this !!!!
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3898-600x468.jpg
A bit of teethmarkings on the stem and it needs a light sanding inside the bowl, but I think this has been inside someone's drawer for a long time. It still has a bit of stale tobacco taste after all that cleaning. I think I'm in the right place. After reading posts from this site, THIS pipe was my first purchase on ebay. I squandered a total of $12.50 for a pipe I'll likely be clutching at my death (if the Orcs don't take me out). YOU GUYS bought me this pipe !! I thank you.
Well, what do you think?
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3920-600x444.jpg
This is the Kaywoodie next to my first pipe, a Sasieni second straight Bulldog, where a village or town in cursive script has been stamped over with MAYFAIR. This is inside under an incandescent bulb and you can see the fire in the ruby even under this feeble lighting.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3909-600x211.jpg
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3908-600x235.jpg
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3910-600x198.jpg
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3907-600x228.jpg
Even in indirect sunlight, this ruby glows. I only gave a spitshine to the exterior briar as it was dulled with residue. But I cleaned the stem, shank and inside bowl with pipesweetener using pipecleaners, Qtips and a reamer. The dark area of the rim toward the shank is slightly burned and has a nick out of the inside. Nothing major and it gives a little character to my new friend.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim39141-600x423.jpg
My camera and I don't always get along. This is natural outdoor lighting and I am to lazy too change the F-stop.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3911-330x600.jpg
Again, that fire screams Burmese and if this is from the forties or early fifties, this ruby would be easier to get than the past thirty years and probably about as much as the pipe itself to buy (probably less) and set in the stem.
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3916-600x385.jpg
Here is the 68B shape number, I really love the grain on this !!!!
http://pipesmagazine.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/album/13982/hpim3898-600x468.jpg
A bit of teethmarkings on the stem and it needs a light sanding inside the bowl, but I think this has been inside someone's drawer for a long time. It still has a bit of stale tobacco taste after all that cleaning. I think I'm in the right place. After reading posts from this site, THIS pipe was my first purchase on ebay. I squandered a total of $12.50 for a pipe I'll likely be clutching at my death (if the Orcs don't take me out). YOU GUYS bought me this pipe !! I thank you.
Well, what do you think?
Mayfair70, I am going to guess that the original logo fell out and was replaced, or a previous owner simply wanted to "upgrade" their pipe. I know nothing about rubies, so speculating on the originality of the logo is all I can do.
Yep, that will restore nicely. I'd say someone must have really like that pipe and customized it with the ruby.
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