John Cotton Smyrna

[buroak]

No it's not a secret. I just bought the equivalent of the recipe but in C&D tobacco from SP

What did you sub for the Sutliff TS-19 Turkish?

 

[AroEnglish]

Now that John Cotton's Smyrna is no longer in production, here is a rough approximation of the formula, using Sutliff tobaccos (as long as they are available).
I don't know if these are the exact same tobaccos used in the final product, but it will put you in the ballpark.

John Cotton Smyrna

Leaf	%	Recommended
Latakia	45	Sutliff TS18 Latakia
Turkish	33	Sutliff TS19 Turkish
Virginia	22	Sutliff TS1R Red VA Ribbon
TOTAL	100%

TS19 is described in Sutliff"s literature as "Ribbon cut Smyrna grades"

What’s in JC Double Pressed Creme and Double Pressed Virginia?

 

[woodsroad]

What’s in JC Double Pressed Creme and Double Pressed Virginia?

Fake.
That blend never existed in the John Cotton’s portfolio. My somewhat educated guess tells me that it is a rebadged pre-existing product. It was introduced after I left the company.

 

[AroEnglish]

Fake.
That blend never existed in the John Cotton’s portfolio. My somewhat educated guess tells me that it is a rebadged pre-existing product. It was introduced after I left the company.

Good to know. I’ve been curious about them but I’ll just pass at this point.

 

[condorlover1]

I think we did 3 John Cottons. JC 1, JC 1 & 2, JC Smegma Smyrna. The Double Pressed thing was a piece of 'Badge Engineering' by the Spillman Drive Minions at P&C. Tins of most of the original line show up on Pipe Studs website occasionally although tins of War Horse Rub Your Own are getting tough to find these days.

 

[supdog]

I blended some two weeks ago and tried it over the wekend, and all I got to say is WOW! I've been blending for about a year and a half, and at first it was my own creations, but then I started blending recipes I found on the internet. I've found some blends that I like very much, but what gets me about this blend is that while I have used all of my blending tobaccos in various blends, I can't beleive I got these flavors from my existing tobaccos!

 

[Brad H]

since the sutliff shutdown, are not all John Cotton blends pretty much dead?

I do like their cream blend. Is there a similar one to compare it to?

 

[supdog]

Looks like I got the last of the Smyrna at P&C. I had ordered it before my post above. When I put it in my cart it said "only 10 oz" I thought they were restricting amounts do to not being able to get more, but when I went back to check on getting more it said "out of stock". I'm glad I did because it's sold out everywhere I looked.

 

[woodsroad]

Looks like I got the last of the Smyrna at P&C. I had ordered it before my post above. When I put it in my cart it said "only 10 oz" I thought they were restricting amounts do to not being able to get more, but when I went back to check on getting more it said "out of stock". I'm glad I did because it's sold out everywhere I looked.

Were they selling bulk?

 

[woodsroad]

Used all C&D tobacco from SP for this blend. Really smooth. It's been awhile since I smoked JC Smyrna, but the blend was nice. I might add a little more Latakia next time, but for a foundation, it's a fantastic start.

Please tell us which C&D leaf you used!

 

[supdog]

Were they selling bulk?

Yes. I'm pretty sure it's suttlif.

 

[badbriar]

@woodsroad : You didn't post how to make its sister blend John Cotton's Smegma. I seem to remember the composition was 30% freshly scraped Fromunda Cheese from 65+ year old codger, some cheap Drug Store Cherry tobacco and the contents of an ashtray!

I got a tin of this...terrible stuff! Gave it away!

 

[supdog]

Good news, P&C has Smyrna back in stock.