JN. Barber (smoke.co.uk) Sent me a used and abused pipe!

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dottle

Starting to Get Obsessed
Dec 1, 2012
230
3
All my Petes were purchased new, and they were the lower end models, but they were clean, scratch free and looked un-touched after being placed in the factory box .If that pipe came to me looking like that, it would go back at the speed of light,,,my 2 cents.

 

wnghanglow

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 25, 2012
695
1
Let us know how they handle this, to me how a company handles there mistakes is the second most important thing, price being first.

 

dottle

Starting to Get Obsessed
Dec 1, 2012
230
3
Hummm,,in there response, I see that there was no "If your not happy with the pipe, send it back for a full refund" Why make you wait to see what the problems are on the sellers end?

 

namuna

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 22, 2013
168
0
I haven't gotten back any further information, but quite frankly whatever their suppliers' excuse is, is between them and the supplier. I bought the pipe from JN. Barber and they need to make it right with me, regardless of what/who/where they got the pipe from.
I've replied to them stating as such and await further details.

 

piperl12

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 7, 2012
970
6
I haven't bought a pipe in 20 years but have six Peterson pipes in my collection. Next to my Caliches they represent the 2nd largest brand representation. I have been looking for a 80s silver band but based on what I have been reading may go estate. It's a shame, my Pete's all smoke wonderfully. In fact my 999 Aran silverband is my most favorite pipe. What a difference a couple decades make.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
20,248
57,313
67
Sarasota Florida
I would return the pipe and look at a different brand. That is absolutely disgraceful quality control. If I ever got teeth marks like that or scratches on the silver work or a lousy finish, I would send it back immediately. I don't care how much a pipe costs, some things are totally unacceptable. The reason Peterson keeps getting away with this is because consumers are accepting poorly made pipes and not sending them back.

 

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
250
2
United Kingdom
I haven't gotten back any further information, but quite frankly whatever their suppliers' excuse is, is between them and the supplier. I bought the pipe from JN. Barber and they need to make it right with me, regardless of what/who/where they got the pipe from.
I've replied to them stating as such and await further details.
You are exactly right. UK law states that the contract is between the customer and the retailer. If there is a problem, the retailer has to make amends to the customer. Afterwards they can take it up with the supplier if they so wish. Remind them of The Sale of Goods Act and the Distance Selling Regulations which allows a customer 14 days right to change their mind for any reason and receive a refund. Distance Selling Regulations apply to all internet sales made by a bona fide business.

 

rcstan

Lifer
Mar 7, 2012
1,466
9
Sunset Beach NC
Those marks in the bowl are from the machine. So is the briar dust from drilling the airway. Nevermind the QC at the factory, don't the retailers inspect the pipes before selling them ??? ( shameless plug, WE do at SPC )

I'd send that thing back

 

kcpoe

Might Stick Around
Oct 9, 2013
69
0
Thanks Namuna. I had my eye on some Peterson pipes...however, I'll be following your thread to see what it turns into. If the product you show in the pictures is a barometer for the quality Peterson is putting out now, I'll pass.

 

namuna

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 22, 2013
168
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Wow, from the replies I've been seeing in this thread, it seems either the Peterson company has particularly shameful Quality Control or there are so many unscrupulous people out there selling used and in poor condition Petersons as "new", that it has actually marred the Peterson name.
Either way, both are quite alarming to think about.

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
13,199
22,995
SE PA USA
It's only a pipe, for God's sake.

They will make good on it, you will move on.
FWIW, I have two new production Petersons, and they are OK. Not outstanding, but worth what I paid for them.

I have several old Petersons, and the quality seems to be better, or at least time has smoothed the rough edges a bit, as it is wan to do.

 

namuna

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 22, 2013
168
0
Response received today (Nov 6th):

With regard to the pipe, you can either return the pipe to us for a full refund including shipping costs. (Should you wish to do this please ensure that you mark on the package that the goods are being returned for a refund otherwise we will have to refuse the package) or we can offer you a 33% discount on the actual cost of the pipe should you want to keep it? I will await your reply.
Kindest regards
I'd prefer an exchange for the original System Ebony 317, but I don't feel assured that their supplier wouldn't just send another pipe in similar condition and I don't wish to deal with getting to the PO to send it back, so I opted for the discount.
woodroad: yes, it's only a pipe and yes they've made good. but what's "alarming" (to me) is the thought that there have been more than a couple replies in this thread stating that a pipe in such a condition as I got, can still be considered "new"...Which means (by my reasoning) either Peterson has sold so many "new" pipes in such a condition that it has set the general opinion of "new" to a very low quality level, or there's so many unscrupulous people out there selling used Petersons as new that they've forced the expectation-of-quality bar on new pipes down.

 
Dec 24, 2012
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I am certainly not a Peterson apologist, but all I can say is that I have purchased a couple of new Peterson pipes - both from the Peterson store in Dublin - and they were in impeccable condition. Something strange is going on here.

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
13,199
22,995
SE PA USA
When I look at the pipe that you received, I find it unacceptable as "new". Other people's opinions, though, don't mean a damned thing. The seller pulled a box off the shelf and mailed it to you without checking the contents. Not good customer service, but you are dealing with a larger retailer, and the person who pulled stock was probably under 20 years old and knows nothing about pipes or customer service. Such is life when you have customers combing the net looking for the lowest price, you must cut expenses wherever possible. Customers demand it.
I think what they offered you was fair. They gave up their profit, and then some. I would have gone for a replacement, and asked that they kindly inspect the goods before shipping, but that's me.
In short, we live in a different world now, one that is much more competitive. Many consumers are willing to accept (or, by default must accept) compromises in service and quality in order to get the lowest price.
It is why China has succeeded, and why our homes are filled with crap that doesn't work and that we don't need. Of course, this has also led to a resurgence in in high-quality, low volume craft goods. So all is not lost, but you do get what you pay for, or less.
EDIT: I am now reminded of a similar problem that I had with a Borla exhaust unit for a car that I was working on. It arrived all sealed up in a foamed-in box. Upon inspection, it was clear that something was really out of kilter. The welds were cold, the alignment was off, the finish poor. Turned out that it was a trainer unit at the factory that accidentally got packed. They made good on it. Very good. Perhaps you should contact Peterson (or did you do that already? I don't remember).

 
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