Jim's STG Versions of Mac Baren Blends Reviews.

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Brad H

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I wasn't a big Mac Baren fan, but I did love their Navy flake. Heartbreaking to see such a drop in quality. Saves me money, I guess.

Thank goodness for the HU blends coming stateside. I love C&D, and there are some stellar Peterson blends, but I am finding some HU blends that are filling gaps from so many other legacy blends dying out or dropping in quality. Thanks for taking the time to try the STG mixes, Jim.
I don’t suppose if anyone knows if HU Dockworker is making it state side?
Would love to know that timeline. Super super great stuff.
 

forloveoffreedom

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Swimming blindly so apologies if I’m not up to speed. All these blends are already released by STG and tins have arrived in the US? Does that mean they were made by the previously operating Sutliff plant before? I was thinking the transition, in the over the pond shops, would take another year to smooth out. This is what my uneducated fingers tell me:IMG_4121.jpeg
 

mingc

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Jun 20, 2019
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Is Capstan Gold discontinued?
Yes, only blue "Original Flake" survives:
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Skippy Piper

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Thank you for the thorough comparisons Jim! It's a bit puzzling that STG decided to use a new crop of young Virginias for all the Mac Baren blends they decided to keep, since I would presume with the acquisition of Mac Baren they should have also acquired Mac Baren's enormous warehouses of well aged Virginias to work with. STG certainly is no stranger to making odd decisions though.
 

sablebrush52

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Jun 15, 2013
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Thank you for the thorough comparisons Jim! It's a bit puzzling that STG decided to use a new crop of young Virginias for all the Mac Baren blends they decided to keep, since I would presume with the acquisition of Mac Baren they should have also acquired Mac Baren's enormous warehouses of well aged Virginias to work with. STG certainly is no stranger to making odd decisions though.
It’s also possible that STG stopped replenishing MacBaren’s stocks and used up a lot of it in preparation for shutting it down.

Nothing about the reduced quality surprises me. It’s all about maximizing profit and efficiency, not quantity.
With less competition there’s less incentive to improve quality.
 

Dixie Piper

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It’s also possible that STG stopped replenishing MacBaren’s stocks and used up a lot of it in preparation for shutting it down.

Nothing about the reduced quality surprises me. It’s all about maximizing profit and efficiency, not quantity.
With less competition there’s less incentive to improve quality.
Has a blend ever improved once STG accquired it?
 

khiddy

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Has a blend ever improved once STG accquired it?
Word on the street is that Granger improved once it moved to STG. I've only had the new (current) Granger, and it's a very satisfying smoke. If it was even better before STG took it over, it must've been quite lovely back in the day. But I'm happy with the STG version that's available now.
 

NookersTheCat

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Word on the street is that Granger improved once it moved to STG. I've only had the new (current) Granger, and it's a very satisfying smoke. If it was even better before STG took it over, it must've been quite lovely back in the day. But I'm happy with the STG version that's available now.
I'd say they did okay with the Lane blends they kept from my experience as well. I wonder how much of this is STG and how much is just the alarming drop in quality of everything post 'the great 2020 lapse of duty and reason'...
It seems to me like the quality and integrity of pretty much anything changed or established since during or after the beer bug is just absolute trash and nobody could possibly care less about it...
 

sablebrush52

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I'd say they did okay with the Lane blends they kept from my experience as well. I wonder how much of this is STG and how much is just the alarming drop in quality of everything post 'the great 2020 lapse of duty and reason'...
It seems to me like the quality and integrity of pretty much anything changed or established since during or after the beer bug is just absolute trash and nobody could possibly care less about it...
I think that "care less" is largely true. People acclimate to everything that doesn't represent an immediate threat to their existence. And sometimes they even acclimate to that. You gets what you gets, so either make friends with it or go away.

STG can make a quality product when they have to, like with the "Dunhill" blends, for which they were licensed by BAT, or Revor plug, which they make for GH & Co.

Otherwise, based on past experience, all bets are off.

They paid a lot of money for Lane almost three times what they spent on acquiring MacBaren/Sutliff and they kept that facility intact for years, so they know how those blends are sourced, and have had years of making them after closing down Lane's factory. Those are big selling blends, right in line with STG's definition of worthwhile.

When they took over the manufacturing on Peter Heinrich's Curly Block, they completely changed the blend, adding in a Cavendish bullseye that wasn't in the original and swapping out the Virginias. It wasn't bad, just not nearly as good as the original.

I think of them as the McDonald's of blending houses, huge, efficient, profitable, and reliably mediocre.