Jarring Tins

[mrgunnar177]

Hey all so iv been jarring tobaccos but I'm curious if some of my sealed tins need to be jarred. I saw in a thread that kingfisher should be jarred? Is it the same for pelican? Even the new tins? Also my C&D blends or my g l pease blends, should they be jarred or will they fine for the next couple years?

Cheers!

Gunnar

 

[captainprophesy]

hhmmm good question, Ive never had an issue with any of my tins (including Pelican of which I have one thats about a year old right now) .... but now you got me wondering now :/
Curious to hear if there is a trick to seeing if a tin is not properly sealed.

 

[redbeard]

I also have a question pertaining to this topic if I may. If you put a new tobacco in a jar that has had a different brand/flavor will it effect the new tobacco? Do you give the jar a good wash first?

 

[mrgunnar177]

Hmm I don't know it will be interesting to see if someone knows. That question pertains to another question I h e concerning tobacco pouches with latex lining. Do you clean them out before putting a different tobacco in or does it matter? Also can I jar aeromatics such as boswells?

 

[captainprophesy]

As far as the jars go... If im going to place a different tobacco in it, I always wash it.

In regards to the latex pouch... I use a snack size zip lock baggy and that goes into the pouch.

 

[sparroa]

If you aren't picky, then there is no real harm in storing one tobacco blend in a jar that once held a similar blend. (ie. Orlik Golden Sliced in a Dunhill Flake jar)
I would not do that, however, because it is easy to avoid any flavour/contaminant transfer whatsoever. Wash the jar, dry it thoroughly, and replace the lid each and every time. That way you will never have any taste crossover and you can use a jar that just held a balkan without infusing other blends with smokiness...
Roth has the rest pretty much covered.
Kingfisher/Pelican/Penzance are notoriously bad tins, so if you are going to directly jar any of them, then they are the ones to jar...
The completely unsealed tins (ie Solani) are also a no brainer.
The rest are hit or miss - results vary, but the risks should be minimal as long as they are properly stored and handled gently. Again as roth notes, some tins are probably DOA due to turbulence in transit.

 

[mrgunnar177]

Ok thanks! I have a tin of kingfisher from 2001 should probably jar it... Also have a tin of pelican from 1999.

 

[lyle]

A related question: any reason not to just stick the whole tin inside a glass jar?
Let's say I have a tin with a few years of age already, and I'd rather not open it, but I would like to ensure that it lasts another few years. Would the tin-in-a-jar method hurt? One thing that concerns me is rust--will that give an off flavor?

 

[sparroa]

gunnar,
I don't know if you've already done the deed yet but I would not jar that aged tobacco.
As far as I am concerned, aged tobacco is meant to be consumed ASAP after you open the tin.
If you open that tin up now, the aging process will be finished and you would benefit most from smoking through the contents fairly quickly. I hear that aged tobacco goes downhill pretty fast...
If there's a problem with your Pelican/Kingfisher tins, then it is a moot point now because they've been stored in them for 10 years already. If they were ever going to rust or lose their seal, it'd probably happen by now so there is nothing to gain by transferring the tobacco to glass at this late stage...
I assumed (somewhat wrongly, it turns out) that you were dealing with fresh tobacco. (Or in the case of Kingfisher, a recent tinning that's about 1-2 years old)
PS to Lyle: Rust will render a tobacco unsmokeable if it penetrates the interior. I sure wouldn't want a metallic tang in my smoke! It's probably not the healthiest, either...
I don't know what the solution is when dealing with aged tins. It's more of a luck of the draw thing. Jarring, though, should be done as soon as you acquire new stock so that your risks of tin failure are minimized. A small percentage of tins will probably always be flawed, but that's the risk we take. It helps to buy in multiples as savvy wine consumers know. It is heartbreaking to hear of someone who selected a single bottle of expensive wine to save for a special occasion only to find out 10-15 years later that it was corked! The only insurance policy is to buy a case. (I know that is not relevant in Gunnar's particular case, but it is a disclaimer to everyone else: if you only have one tin of something you treasure, you'd better hope that tin is in immaculate condition or you may be very disappointed down the road!)

 

[lyle]

Thanks for the replies, guys.
I recently bought a few tins online that have either come from some old stock or were grossly mistreated because they look old and have what appear to be emerging rust spots on the outside of the tin. I guess I'll just keep an eye on them. I've never had a rusty tin before, so wasn't sure what that could mean.

 

[mrenglish]

My Pelican tins have held their seal and they are 10+ years old. The Kingfisher tins of that age I jarred just in time, I was able to pop the lid with any assistance. Another year or so and they probably would lost the seal. Penzance was the worst though, I probably had 30 or so tins loose their seal. I have had a couple Pembroke tins rust thru after about ten years and some McClelland tins rust thru after 12 years or so. But those were a definite minority and not something I would worry about jarring up.
As for tobacco pouches, I tend to keep the same types of tobacco in then them without any issues. I have one pouch for VAPERs, one for English blends and one for aromatic VA's like Ennerdale Flake. Even when putting in something like Dark Flake or Dark Plug didn't really do anything to effect the St. James Flake or 3P's I throw in there.

 

[mrenglish]

gunnar, one thing you can do is periodically check the seal. Try to remove the lid with just your hands and without much effort. For the Pease type tins, especially the older 2oz tall tins as well as McClelland tins, you can feel around the tin for soft spots. If you find one, then you should jar it up. Otherwise, you should be good to go. Definitely jar up that Kingfisher though. :wink:

 

[mrgunnar177]

Thanks! I haven't jarred any of my aged tins yet. Ill be checking seals and jarring tomorrow if need be! Ill be jarring the kingfisher tomorrow as well.

 

[mrgunnar177]

I dislike jarring my tins because I usually buy the tin because of the tin art. Haha I'm a bit of a sucker for it. Oh well jarring opened tins and the kingfisher for sure tomorrow. I'm getting everything I have in storage with bootcamp right around the corner

 

[mrenglish]

-rothnh The Pease tins I am referring to are the tall 2 oz tins he used to have before going to the current "squat" tins he and C&D uses. I've had a fair number of those taller tins develop rust from the inside and dry the tobacco out. It takes awhile, the tins were all 8+ years old when I discovered the problem.