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kane

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I started smoking with my dad's old Italian pipes. Lots of older Caminettos and Ascortis. They are great. Solid, great dry smokes, nice to hold and look at. Of late though I have been getting into English billiards and have acquired some Dunhill, Ferndown, older GBD and Comoy's, plus a few of the TinderBox Uniques. They are different animals. I do like the light weight, slender stem, and svelte design of the English pipes. Of the English pipes that I have, the Ferndown is most similar to my Italian pipes in that is has thicker walls, chunkier stem, heftier than the other Brits. And then there are the Danes.......

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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I don't feel a polar pull with British or Italian pipes. I have good ones from both origins. It seems the selection is wider and prices start more moderately with Italian pipes, and I enjoy my somewhat higher end Savs and my Ser Jacopo. I equally enjoy the Ferdown a Forums member sent me (to my amazement) and my more ordinary English Britannia and Parker. I have more Italian pipes because they tend to offer wider inventories and greater variety in shapes, finishes, and designs. But I spend more time looking at English estate pipes and new ones, just for interest. As a customer, Italy wins. As a matter of taste, it's a tie.

 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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After a horribly drilled Dunhill, and boredom with English shapes, I avoid English pipes altogether. American artisan, Danish, and Italian pipes are what I tend to go after.

 

ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
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Vegas Baby!!!
British and then Ryan Alden. I think Italian pipes look like they ate too much pasta and Danish pipes look like they spent too much time smoking something other than tobacco.
I like classic shapes for my briar.
Btw, I'm watching Cops and the suspect is wearing a shirt with an Italian shaped billiard. Enough said. Lol

 

saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
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Since the wood is usually adequately cured and the drilling straight, all the talk about the quality of pipes is largely superfluous. Some say that Castello and some Danish carvers have a stockpile of wood that is at least 10 years old, and that pipes made from it are superior, and this makes sense as wood is the primary pipe ingredient. But don't you have pipes that get wet after a smoke or two, and can you really say that you can tell a difference between those pipes and your Castello whose 10 year cure makes for a dry smoke?
So many pipe standards are like this. They make sense on some level but not in the smoke.
Chamfering is another such standard. Does it make sense, yes, as the smoke has to cross from shank to stem and enter the smaller diameter of the tenon and stem, a prime point for condensation, I guess, but cannot say from a knowledge of physics. But I've had any number of pipes whose tenon and mortise were not chamfered and some that were, both of which smoked fine.
Thick walls make the smoke cooler. No, the temperature of the burn in the chamber is the same regardless of its containment. It's the tobacco that's burning, and it combusts at the same temperature regardless of the thickness of that which contains it.
Churchwardens smoke cooler. No, the smoke travels through stem so quickly that that it overcomes the extra inches.
Pipe quality is a subjective consideration. Do I feel better smoking a Castello? Yes, but I don't tell myself that that feeling comes from objective fact that I have gathered in the smoke. Rather it comes from shaping, according to a school that one admires. and from the finish; and certainly from price. You can't smoke or collect what you can't afford.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Since the wood is usually adequately cured and the drilling straight, all the talk about the quality of pipes is largely superfluous
I cannot agree with the above, as not all briar starts out equal, and curing methods and time taken can vary widely. Drilling, yes, is usually not an issue- unless it is!

 

saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
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They say that digging burls is tough work, and the cutter has to pay the workers, so it is economically important that all the burl is sold. Yet if the burl is demonstrably bad, you would think the cutter would reject it. If they pass it on to those who sell the blocks the makers will complain. What I'm saying is that I doubt makers get very much bad wood. Yes, curing time varies, but from what I know the methods are air-curing and oil-curing, which is only practiced by a few. There seem to be only two methods. What varies is the time, and from what I know artisans cure for two or three years, Castello the exception at 10 and the cure for factory pipes unknown but likely less.
But my point, above, is that in a blind test it would be the rare smoker that can tell the difference. I can't. What makes the biggest difference for me is smoking technique and the concentration to taste with discrimination and savor.
These are only my perceptions and thoughts, and you may well know more about this than I do.

 
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