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woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,652
20,199
SE PA USA
For clarity sake, I have no political agenda, neither right or left. I tend not to believe anything I read, and even less likely to believe what I hear.

The weather, for most of human history, was one of the few topics you could discuss without disrupting the family dinner.
Everything has been politicized. I think that’s the Fifth Horseman.
I have no doubt that the climate is changing. The climate has been changing on Earth from Day One. The question is: Is human activity responsible in part or in full for any of the present-day climate shifts? That’s the important question, and one that needs to be investigated and answered without political bias and interference.
This is the kind of institutional ideology that is causing people to lose confidence in science:

 
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David D. Davidson

Starting to Get Obsessed
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Where I live in Ontario there’s been a degree of shift, but nothing too tangible. Crunching numbers, summers are hotter, winters are milder, and there’s more total rainfall but less rain frequency. We also get more extreme weather events - severe storms and tornado warnings etc.

The shift in temps and rainfall isn’t anything drastic, and are mostly just apparent through a little math, but the increase in extreme weather is definitely noticeable. The cause? How could I possibly know, I’m just some schmuck who lives here!

The change that really concerns me is the lack of insect life. The plummeting population of insects (especially, but not exclusively) pollinators, wigs me out something fierce. Nothing good ever came from the bottom of the food chain evaporating.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,652
20,199
SE PA USA
Where I live in Ontario there’s been a degree of shift, but nothing too tangible. Crunching numbers, summers are hotter, winters are milder, and there’s more total rainfall but less rain frequency. We also get more extreme weather events - severe storms and tornado warnings etc.

The shift in temps and rainfall isn’t anything drastic, and are mostly just apparent through a little math, but the increase in extreme weather is definitely noticeable. The cause? How could I possibly know, I’m just some schmuck who lives here!

The change that really concerns me is the lack of insect life. The plummeting population of insects (especially, but not exclusively) pollinators, wigs me out something fierce. Nothing good ever came from the bottom of the food chain evaporating.
When we bought our property in the late 90’s, I could lay out in the meadow in the evenings and watch the bats and swallows feed on insects. As it got darker, the bats would fly lower and lower, pushing the clouds of insects down, until they were inches from my face,

Now? Nothing. I havent seen a bat in years. No food.
 

TN Jed

Lifer
Feb 3, 2022
1,994
29,559
Franklin, TN
www.battlefields.org
I really wish idiotic internet "articles" would stop being used as .... "evidence". Yeh, my sister sent me the exact same article. I read it and then I researched it. Of course, no where in the article did it talk about the goal of thinning sick forests, or removing dead trees, all things that come about because we have prevented forest fires and now have forest that when they burn are much more deadly. And that was the point of the plan - removing timber that created a dangerous situation and burying it to reduce carbon emissions.

If you think it is a stupid plan, then at least put the full plan in context correctly - otherwise, repeating photoshopped news to prove a point is pointless.

I personally can't stand Bill Gates and I see him as a fascist. But I don't need to misconstrue what his plans are to prove my point.
You've made a huge assumption that I read the article. My comment was independent of said article.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
You've made a huge assumption that I read the article. My comment was independent of said article.
Yes you are right. I meant to attach my comments to the original poster and errored when I created the post. By the time I sent the post out it was too late to edit it. However, I did recognize the error and regret not deleting the post and starting over. I hoped the comments I made were general enough not to single you out but that’s not how it looks when one reads the posting trail. Thank you for the clarification. I apologize for any confusion it caused.
 
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TN Jed

Lifer
Feb 3, 2022
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Franklin, TN
www.battlefields.org
Yes you are right. I meant to attach my comments to the original poster and errored when I created the post. By the time I sent the post out it was too late to edit it. However, I did recognize the error and regret not deleting the post and starting over. I hoped the comments I made were general enough not to single you out but that’s not how it looks when one reads the posting trail. Thank you for the clarification. I apologize for any confusion it caused.
No worries my friend! I enjoy a feisty debate.
 
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lraisch

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 4, 2011
724
1,503
Granite Falls, Washington state
Don't worry...the true "experts" like Baal Gates are busy implementing their "solutions" because they just care so much about us and about the planet!

It's SCIENCE!!! Don't question "The Science".

If this scheme sounds criminally insane to you, and exactly the OPPOSITE of what should be done, it's just because you don't understand THE SCIENCE!


Bill Gates Pushes Plan to Chop Down 70 Million Acres of Trees to ‘Fight Global Warming’

Microsoft co-founder is funding a new effort that seeks to chop down a staggering 70 million acres of trees in an effort to allegedly “fight global warming.”

Gates’s organization, Breakthrough Energy, has plowed $6.6 million into the project led by Kodama Systems.

The move will see 70m acres of forests, mostly in the Western United States, cut down.

After the trees have been chopped down, they will be buried.

According to the project organizers, “scientists” say “burying trees can reduce global warming.”

Kodama claims that burying the trees will prevent them from allegedly “spewing” carbon back into the air.


You do realize this is a joke news site, right?
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
16,070
Everything has been politicized. I think that’s the Fifth Horseman.

This is the kind of institutional ideology that is causing people to lose confidence in science:

I have not lost any confidence in science...I just recognize when it's not honest.

When there is an official line being pushed, and thousands of scientists all over the world are censored and vilified because they don't agree with it...and whistleblowers are retaliated against...I don't need a PhD to recognize something stinks. Follow the money.

It's also interesting how the big corporate "mainstream" media can get away with making proclamations that it's man-made climate change causing fires...death and destruction...and the "science is settled" ... but no one ever calls them "conspiracy theorists"...they're always considered to be legitimate sources, no matter how much conflict of interest they have, and no matter how many times they've been caught lying in the past.

As I've commented more than once, there are very serious environmental problems that need to be addressed, but they've all been hi-jacked by the climate change agenda. As a few have noted above, insect populations have quite obviously gone way down. I know what's not causing it: "climate change".
 
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brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
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You do realize this is a joke news site, right?
I've never seen that site before. It's just a version of the story that is the same on many sites. I probably should have chosen a different link, but the purpose was simply to point out this particular latest scheme of BG.

If I really intentionally wanted to choose a "joke news site" I would have chosen this one:

cnn.com
 
Feb 12, 2022
3,574
50,415
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North Georgia mountains.
I built houses back in the day so I've spent my fair share of days working outdoors. I will say that summers here in NC are much cooler now than back then. This year in particular was the mildest I've experienced since moving here in 1980.
I too do outdoor work in North GA and NC - mostly concrete and grading. I'm only 30 years old but I agree with your statement. The same could be said for winters. I think the past ~5 seasons have been very mild - hot or cold. We get a couple bad weeks per season, but for the most part it's very mild summers and winters.
 

monty55

Lifer
Apr 16, 2014
1,725
3,573
66
Bryan, Texas
Absolutely it's hotter!

I grew up in Houston. Back in the 60's - 90's a hot summer day was in the high 90's. Now it's week after week of 103-107. I live in Bryan now which is only 1.5 hours north of Houston. We had a month of temps between 100-105 in July and a month of temps between 105-110 in August. Set yet another record a few weeks ago at 112. This is all with 70-80% humidity.

This has been the hottest summer in recorded history on earth, and last year was the record before this year.
It's a fact, not an observation... it's getting hotter every year, and it will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. And it's not just the air temp. The oceans are the hottest they have ever been in recorded history as well. And that will affect the air temps more than anything else.

The only thing that might change that, is if the Thermohaline Circulation Belt stops due to massive influx of fresh water melt from Greenland ice sheets which will disrupt the salinity and stall the belt. Which would lead to very cold weather in the northern hemisphere, among other weather disasters.
 

Sam Gamgee

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 24, 2022
649
1,696
50
DFW, Texas
Absolutely it's hotter!

I grew up in Houston. Back in the 60's - 90's a hot summer day was in the high 90's. Now it's week after week of 103-107. I live in Bryan now which is only 1.5 hours north of Houston. We had a month of temps between 100-105 in July and a month of temps between 105-110 in August. Set yet another record a few weeks ago at 112. This is all with 70-80% humidity.

This has been the hottest summer in recorded history on earth, and last year was the record before this year.
It's a fact, not an observation... it's getting hotter every year, and it will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. And it's not just the air temp. The oceans are the hottest they have ever been in recorded history as well. And that will affect the air temps more than anything else.

The only thing that might change that, is if the Thermohaline Circulation Belt stops due to massive influx of fresh water melt from Greenland ice sheets which will disrupt the salinity and stall the belt. Which would lead to very cold weather in the northern hemisphere, among other weather disasters.
Well, if you can believe the news, and much of the time you can't, at least in Texas, it's the second hottest on record. I believe it was in 1980 when there was over 40 days in a row of 100-degree weather. This summer wasn't that bad either.
 

Winnipeger

Lifer
Sep 9, 2022
1,288
9,690
Winnipeg
I think the winters have gotten colder here generally (compared to the early 2000s) due to the increasingly warm arctic air mass pushing that cold vortex towards the centre of the continent, where I live. I had hoped global warming would bring us milder winters, but alas, it's the same as it was in the 80s and 90s. Freaking cold. Anyway...one definition of an anecdote is "an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay." I'll say this. This city has never been blanketed in wildfire smoke for months on end, as far as I know. We're getting smoke from the West, the North, and the East. It's travelling from 1000km away. It's been nearly constant. This isn't normal. Is it forest mismanagement? Global Warming? Climate Change???

Also, there are NO MOSQUITOS AT ALL this year. And we've had plenty of rain. WTF is that about??? It's unheard of. I mean, pesticide use, sure. But that's not new. It seems like in the past couple of years, the mosquitos have basically disappeared. I'm happy about it, but also a little weirded out. (We've still got plenty of wasps though!)

I wonder if all you sceptics and naysayers have considered the possibility that the "scientific consensus" might not be a conspiracy; that it might be generally correct, and that human-caused climate change might be a real thing, and it be might having tangible impacts right now. Is that not even in the realm of possibility?

IBTL
 
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Kobold

Lifer
Feb 2, 2022
1,419
4,956
Maryland
I've noticed lightning bugs are a lot more rare. My guess is that pesticides have done much of this.
I’ve noticed that too. Kind of a bummer when I was trying to catch some with my kids. Used to be tons of them flying around in the field behind my house.
 

Sam Gamgee

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 24, 2022
649
1,696
50
DFW, Texas
I wonder if all you sceptics and naysayers have considered the possibility that the "scientific consensus" might not be a conspiracy; that it might be generally correct, and that human-caused climate change might be a real thing, and it be might having tangible impacts right now. Is that not even in the realm of possibility?

IBTL
I have absolutely considered this, and I would be happy to be wrong. The trouble for me isn't the "scientific consensus" but it's the usual suspects that have attached themselves to this issue, and these folks are ever and always the ones who want to control our lives and take away every aspect of it that makes it worth living. The same folks seem to always be on the same side of any issue that lends itself to control (e.g. climate, vax, Ukraine). Not only that, but they seem to do all they can to silence all opposing voices and viewpoints. After a while it makes it hard to take them seriously. YMMV.
 
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