Is Baracchini Owned By Savinelli?

[mso489]

I Baracchini owned by Savinelli? I only ask because some Baraccini pipes have numbers that duplicate those of Savinelli pipes in their model names. There's Baracchini author shape 320, just like the Savinelli, though the pipe shape isn't the same, and there is a Baraccini zulu 404 that is quite similar to the Savinelli 404, and the Rossi 8404. I do know that Savinelli owns Rossi, and the shapes are more or less identical, just the finishes are more elaborate on the Savinelli pipes. But does Savinelli also own Baraccini?

 

[Servant King]

Good question. Barracini occupies the front cover of the latest P&C catalog, a sight I'm greeted by every time I try to use a visual diversion to transmute my TAD. Now that you've brought it up, I'm curious about this as well.

 

[mso489]

It seems like it would be getting into trademark infringement to use the numbers without permission. Match blends are always skirting the edge of this, sometimes using similar numbers or language, and in some cases changing them to something else apparently in response to the originator complaining.

 

[anotherbob]

It seems like it would be getting into trademark infringement to use the numbers without permission. Match blends are always skirting the edge of this, sometimes using similar numbers or language, and in some cases changing them to something else apparently in response to the originator complaining.

I don't think you can trademark a number.

 

[Servant King]

I don't think you can trademark a number.

Dammit, WHY must you always shatter my dreams?!?

 

[mso489]

I know you can't claim copyright to a title. I can write a book with the same title as any other that still has copyright and it's no infringement under U.S. (or English?) law. I'm not sure about Italian law. These systems vary. If it is not protected, to use the numbers of another brand to seemingly suggest similarities, I wonder if it works in marketing. It seems cheesy, kind of like a confession of second best, but maybe that's not the psychology for most people. Maybe people feel, oh boy, I can get what is essentially the same pipe for thirty percent off (or whatever it is). From what I see, probably Baraccini is a pretty good pipe, but it seems odd for them to use the Savinelli pipe shape numbers.

 

[Streeper541]

A few of the pipe brands on P&C mark their shape numbers similarly to the more well know brands. The Erin Go Braugh pipes run the same shapes as the Petersons. The John Bull pipes run mumbers similar to Dunhills.

 

[mso489]

I hadn't noticed that. So it is a marketing thing. People buy into the idea that here's a pipe for less that has the same qualities as the more expensive pipe. I've had more than one brick and mortar pipe shop staffer tell me that a pipe might be a Dunhill second. I never gave it any credence, but I guess it must work for some customers. Britannia is a good pipe, but not a Dunhill second.

 

[romaso]

I believe Pipes & Cigars, & thus their owner Scandinavian Tobacco Group (STG), owns the Baracchini brand.
I believe they are made for STG by Savinelli, which I believe is still family owned.
I believe STG also owns the Stanwell brand, and several others.
You may find more info at Pipedia:
Pipedia

 

[anotherbob]

I believe Pipes & Cigars, & thus their owner Scandinavian Tobacco Group (STG), owns the Baracchini brand.
I believe they are made for STG by Savinelli, which I believe is still family owned.
I believe STG also owns the Stanwell brand, and several others.
You may find more info at Pipedia:
Pipedia

It's kind of amazing how small the pipe world really is at least on the manufacturing side of things. Though not as bad as mattresses .

 

[mso489]

ramaso, that's the answer! I suspected there was a connection, and that's it. So using the Savinelli numbers is by gentlemen's agreement. Savinelli gets bigger orders and sells more pipes, one way or another. Every time I look at a pack of tobacco I'm surprised by the sources. Amphora made by Mac Baren and so forth. The pipe and tobacco community and their customers constitute a small city.

 

[anotherbob]

the pipes and cigars pipe brands do seem like seconds or imitations. They all seem to be going for really looking like another brand. Then again to none pipe smoking people I bet all brands look about the same. Grabow or Dunhill both look about the same to the untrained eye. Basically they seem like the pipe Grandma would buy you for your birthday. You said you wanted a Savinelli and the man at the store said the Bacinacki (or whatever) was the one you were looking for.

 

[mso489]

The customer base with pipes and pipe tobacco is small enough that some retailers are all ready to jump on new people who know little about the products. Good retailers, in shops or online, work on educating their new customers on all the ins and out, brands of pipes and tobaccos, the whole filter subject, on and on. But for some retailers, it looks like one shot at playing the customers, which can result in them not learning about and continuing with pipes. The best retailers are all about repeat customers. I can see the temptation. Here's a person who is only thinking about taking up the pipe, if you convince him that only a Dunhill will suffice. That's a serious chunk of change, but nothing compared to what a continuing customer might spend over the next five years, if they keep on with their pipe(s).

 

[swilford]

Barracchini is owned by STG/Cigars International and is primarily marketed by pipesandcigars.com.

It is definitely not made by Savinelli.

Sykes

 

[kcghost]

Okay, anybody got anything else to say?? I'm sure the very next post I'll see will say Barracchini is made by Savinelli.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I assume that the pipemakers at STG aren’t turning bowls in the same factory that they make tobaccos. That could get messy.

 

[mso489]

If Bariccini are not made by Savinelli, I'd suspect there is some other connection that makes Savinelli allow Bariccini to cite their shape numbers freely. It may not be a trademark infringement under Italian law, but in the small world of pipe making (even smaller than the world of pipe smoking) the neighbors/competitors live pretty close. I'll be interested to see if those shape numbers keep showing up in the online Bariccini retail pages.