I Feel Hated and Discrimnated Against

[deyro]

@hnryclay It's always a good thing to be proud of your home state. But when you come up to go fishing, bring enough tobacco to last. I only know of three of four shops in the entire state that have anything resembling a decent selection of pipe tobacco. If there are others I haven't found them yet.
But speaking of discrimination. I'm going to guess you're a fly fisherman, which is awesome. But ever since "A River Runs Through It" came out, people think Montanans are born with a fly rod in one hand and a wicker creel in the other. You ought to see the looks I get in some towns when I say I do my trout fishing with a spinning reel and a can of worms! Major stinkeye! (Yeah I'm talking about you, Bozeman) And some folks all but shoot daggers out of their eyes if I mention that I'm more of a catch-and-eat fisherman.
Definitely come on up if you can, though. I for one wish you luck whether you're using a thousand dollar graphite fly rod or a garage sale Ronco Pocket Fisherman.

 

[baronsamedi]

I love Montana. The weather and scenery remind me of Germany and the freedom loving attitude reminds me of how Texas used to be before we were overrun with nanny state whackos.

 

[oudis]

Jaysin (and everybody else),
First of all –so that we understand each other and you know who you are talking to: I consider myself a liberal. I support gay marriage, for instance (I’m straight and was married for 30 years). I consider myself agnostic (which is a form of skepticism in a way) but respect both Christians (including Catholics and Orthodox people) and hardcore atheists alike. I carry no guns because I don’t feel I could use them properly: I’m more an artistic and scholarly kind of guy; but I respect everybody’s right to have them (criminals shouldn’t have more rights than decent people). I don’t dislike any sexual orientation or any religious belief (yes, I respect Muslims and love Wiccans). You can say that the only thing I hate is racism.
Once more: I am a liberal. Having said that, many liberals can be really despotic.
I want to believe I am the non-authoritarian kind of liberal.
Oudis.
PS: By the way: I am a carnivorous beast too!

 

[judcole]

My kinda guy, Oudis. ::

 

[oudis]

Oh you made me blush! :lol:

 

[deyro]

As I said I can appreciate thelogic of some indoor smoking bans, but tonight on the way to a movie we pulled into a parking garage, and posted right up front is a sign stating "This is a tobacco free facility." A [expletive deleted] concrete and steel open-air parking garage? Are you [expletive deleted] kidding me?
This does not bode well.

 

[baronsamedi]

The irony of a parking garage full of carbon monoxide from cars worried about a little second hand smoke is not lost on me.

 

[jaysin]

@oudiw

This was not a shot toward liberals or conservatives, due to the fact I personally know liberals who are against gay marrage and gun control and know conservatives who are anti-gun and pro-gay marrage. The whole point is that we all need to understand we all have rights and some will trample the rights of people who they don't agree with what they do but piss and moan if it's done to them. In the land where we are all supposed to be equal we are not. Special intrests groups, ACLU, class warfare, etc. If we all just respected each other a bit more and look at things through the other person's eyes things would be alot better and maybe fix some real problems other than smoking, gun rights, etc. That's all I am saying.
*edit*- fixed typos and added some punctuation for clarity.

 

[oudis]

"If we all just respected eachother a bit more and look at things through the other persons eyes things would be alot better"
I like that.
:worship:

 

[loborx]

I live in modern day Sodom - Las Vegas and yet we have the most churches per capita in the USA - the irony is not lost on me either, baron. :twisted: Oudis: I'm with you brutha!

 

[pipetrucker]

With many people these days it's all about "my rights". They don't give a flip about the rights of anyone else. People have forgotten that when they fail to defend the rights of others there will be no-one to defend their rights when the time comes.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[highstump]

As I said I can appreciate thelogic of some indoor smoking bans, but tonight on the way to a movie we pulled into a parking garage, and posted right up front is a sign stating "This is a tobacco free facility." A [expletive deleted] concrete and steel open-air parking garage? Are you [expletive deleted] kidding me?
This does not bode well.
deyro, I have run into the same thing here, and I have wondered more than a few times how much of this really directed at cigarette smokers. It is much easier (not to mention more PC these days) to use the blanket term “smokers”. How often have you seen someone in the car toss a butt out the window rather than use the ashtray in the car (which they would have to clean themselves) or drop it on the sidewalk while an ashtray sits only a few steps away?
I think much of what you see in this regard is sparked by people who are just tired of cleaning up someone else’s mess.

 

[pipetrucker]

I think much of what you see in this regard is sparked by people who are just tired of cleaning up someone else’s mess.

I don't think that has much, if anything, to do with it at all. It's about deliberately ostracizing a segment of the population and trampling all over the private property rights of individuals in the name of an agenda aimed at controlling every aspect of people's lives.
Well, that and a covert marketing campaign to sell more smoking cessation products that don't work.

 

[oudis]

I don't think that has much, if anything, to do with it at all. It's about deliberately ostracizing a segment of the population and trampling all over the private property rights of individuals in the name of an agenda aimed at controlling every aspect of people's lives.

Well Pipetrucker,
When you think that in 1948 George Orwell wrote about 1984’s “Big Brother” as an omen, a dire prediction and a warning, and nowadays Big Brother is a popular TV show that sanctions the invasion of people’s privacy… I have to agree with you. It’s Truman Show for everybody –and no smoking will be allowed. Philip K. Dick couldn’t have imagined this in a better way.
By the by: the poem, was it B. Brecht?
Oudis

 

[fredvegas]

nowadays Big Brother is a popular TV show that sanctions the invasion of people’s privacy… I have to agree with you. It’s Truman Show for everybody –and no smoking will be allowed.

The TV show Big Brother doesn't invade anyone's privacy. At least, not any privacy that hasn't been willingly signed away by the contestants. To call what they do an "invasion" is disingenuous.
Also, they smoke on that show a ton. Always chem-sticks, though. I've never seen a pipe or a cigar on that show, ever.

 

[oudis]

The TV show Big Brother doesn't invade anyone's privacy. At least, not any privacy that hasn't been willingly signed away by the contestants. To call what they do an "invasion" is disingenuous.

Beg your pardon: I didn’t say it invaded the participants’ privacy; I said it sanctions the invasion of people’s privacy. Nuances are important.

 

[jaysin]

@pipetrucker

good quote ive used it on here before

really makes one stop n think

 

[deyro]

@highstump I actually think you're right, because cigarette butts are a major pet peeve of mine and I admit to having a bias against cigarette smokers for that very reason. All the time I spent in the Army policing up cigarette butts did nothing to endear them to me.
People do tend to make a blanket assumption that all smokers are cigarette smokers. I even answered yes to an 'are you a smoker?' question on a health eval once. All the follow up questions were about cigarettes! I had to go back and change my answer.
But, regardless, we are all in the same boat I guess, and pipetruckers quote was spot on.

 

[pipetrucker]

Oudis, the quote is from Martin Niemöller

 

[judcole]

And for those who don't know - Rev. Niemoller was an anti-Nazi German theologian and Lutheran pastor. He spent 8 years in the camps.