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alaskanpiper

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I can't say for sure about these 100g tins but the ones I've received from Estervals were all sealed.
Some if them yes, but the warehouse blends and african lines were only available in the paint can style tins. This new packaging for the US market are not paint cans, so what I’m trying to ascertain is whether they are sealed 100g tins, or just a bag of tobacco in an unsealed metal tin. Based on the photos it’s impossible to say for sure. I would guess they would be sealed, just trying to see if anyone knows for sure.
 

Streeper541

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I'd go out on a limb and venture to guess one of the things preventing HU from being sold in the States was the packaging. Purely speculation, but a reasonable one.

The graphics on SPC looked like standard sealed tins. Just my .02
 

Sigmund

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Sep 17, 2023
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I the reason would not be packaging. Some hu were in standard tins. I think it was a matter of company infrastructure being too small to manage all that is involved. Also product quantity.

From the looks of things they were selling all they made.
 
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Yeah, a number of brands come in the paint can style tines. I think that's all Peretti sells in. Reiner Gold is another.

Not being a big smoker of burley, perique or oriental, the only thing I picked up was a tin of Indaba as I've been looking for a reasonable Virginia/Kentucky.
 

Kilgore Trout

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Sigmund

Lifer
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Im just hoping there are no new changes to the blends. I dont know that I have any from the recent buy out. Its hard finding good stuff in the EU. Brexit screwed us out of some nice UK blends.
 

mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
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"Kentucky" is listed on the labels on many of the HU blends on SP. I assume this is the dark fired stuff. I'd be interested in hearing from our grand poobahs if DFK is is indeed the distinguishing feature of Hans Wiedemann's blends,
 

PipeIT

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Nov 14, 2020
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I guess I don’t subscribe to the “refined palate” dogma to the extent that some do. While I find that knowing the blend composition, flavorings and casings to be broadly useful, beyond that is personal and individual for me.

Again, I’m just trying to use words people understand is all, call it what you will.

So I’m not prescribing to refined palates as your describing it, but rather, having developed one’s sense of tastes. I never prescribe to any particular wording, formulas, styles, dogma, etc., I thought maybe you understood this about me. I look at things as simplistic as possible is all, I put no labels or system on anything. After all, we’re just smoking a pipe, I keep it simple, and simply say to people, experiment, read around, and do things however you like, that is, until someone starts having problems, then I only suggest simple solutions, like, lighting, drying, packing sipping and going slowly…

But, I think we can all agree, that for some, especially when starting out, it can take time to develop the tastebuds, sense of tastes, that’s all.

So then when I said refined, I should of also mentioned this too…

I’m not sure I follow the Personal and Individual, you are referring to? Unless you are saying, you’re just into smoking whatever you prefer, of course we all smoke what we prefer.

But, Virginia, Burley, Latakia, Kentucky, Perique, have common flavor profiles, that’s my point, I guess, just being able to distinguish these. But amongst these leaf varieties they can also have various other flavors as you know, so then it’s nice to see what someone is picking out, who’s sense of taste might be more highly developed.

You as an example might be shopping around for a grass/hay citrus like VA, so you read until find this, or you take a chance, if no one else has sampled this. Because maybe the blend you buy is more bread, dough, graham and tangy.

I just simply use Jim as a good reference point to see what flavors he’s detecting that’s all, and for the personal and individual, amongst what flavors he’s mentions in blends, then I simply look for those that sound like something I’d like.

I hope I’ve explained myself a bit better this time @woodsroad :)

Also @filmguerilla I don’t know how long you’ve been smoking a pipe, but to recap a little, it’s not about trust, but knowing if you‘ve developed your sense of taste as good as him, and just simply using the information he shares is all. Jim isn’t giving biased opinions on what he prefers, he’s simply only reviewing the blends and explaining what he perceives is all. So the rhetorical question is, understanding how he is reviewing, why wouldn’t pipe smokers want to read this information, and use it to their advantage. Rather then look at a label on a blend, it says Virginia Perique, it’s a VaPer and simply buy it, without knowing what experienced pipe smokers predominantly notice, to then say, ok this is my type of blend, rather then buy blindly.

I don’t blindly buy blends, I read, to simply see what the majority are perceiving, and knowing Jim as something of an authority on blends, I certainly read what his perceptions are too. I thought we’d all call this smart shopping, knowing before hand, what you’re getting into.

Also Jim has worked/helped tobacco businesses on various things, so he is a professional of sorts, I’m not sure if you are aware of this. He’s not simply the average Joe by any stretch, just hanging around here smoking a pipe. He happens to be one of the most experienced, if not the #1 experienced in the world. So I would seriously read what his thoughts are on blends, unless you buy blindly.

Jim is well known and respected in the pipe world. 👍

 
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PipeIT

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all this stuff is sold out on multiple sites- unbelievable - sometimes I wonder where everyonecomes from with the sentiment -- I mean the mentions on this forum were lukewarm - is there a whole new generation of 'hipster' pipe smokers in the loop these days ?

There is more for sale out there right now, as of today! ;)

I just bought Director’s Cut, Edward G, and Janneman Flake, also at the same price SPC was selling it at.
 
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filmguerilla

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I have to just roll my eyes every time somebody pulls the old, "This tobacco was GREAT in the old days, but now it's a shell of itself..." Etc. I've heard it said about Germain's/Esoterica, Gawith, Dunhill/Peterson, and now (apparently) HU. I've been smoking blends since the 80's, started in my teens, and have never found a blend to be dramatically different, much less worse, than it was the first time I smoked it. Variations occur, but to simply dismiss a brand because "good old days" is absurd to me. It's also been fun watching McClelland blends that once languished on the shelf suddenly become the epitome of tobacco. HU was great when I smoked it while stationed in Germany, it was great a couple months ago when I traded for some, and I'm sure it's great right now. Get some for yourself and decide.
 

PipeIT

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Nov 14, 2020
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I have to just roll my eyes every time somebody pulls the old, "This tobacco was GREAT in the old days, but now it's a shell of itself..." Etc. I've heard it said about Germain's/Esoterica, Gawith, Dunhill/Peterson, and now (apparently) HU. I've been smoking blends since the 80's, started in my teens, and have never found a blend to be dramatically different, much less worse, than it was the first time I smoked it. Variations occur, but to simply dismiss a brand because "good old days" is absurd to me. It's also been fun watching McClelland blends that once languished on the shelf suddenly become the epitome of tobacco. HU was great when I smoked it while stationed in Germany, it was great a couple months ago when I traded for some, and I'm sure it's great right now. Get some for yourself and decide.

Oh, forgot to mention, please don’t take anything the wrong way, I wasn’t trying to be/sound rude, I was only making a reply, and as I also didn’t know your experiences.

It can certainly be a challenge today, with all the social media, and info and other various reviews etc. going on, that’s why I typically only look at what Jim is saying for an unbiased review, only sharing what he’s perceiving.

I started out in early 80s too, but dropped it in the late 80s, or early 90s, and started back four years ago.

Thanks for sharing, be well! 🤙
 

filmguerilla

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Oh, forgot to mention, please don’t take anything the wrong way, I wasn’t trying to be/sound rude, I was only making a reply, and as I also didn’t know your experiences.

It can certainly be a challenge today, with all the social media, and info and other various reviews etc. going on, that’s why I typically only look at what Jim is saying for an unbiased review, only sharing what he’s perceiving.

I started out in early 80s too, but dropped it in the late 80s, or early 90s, and started back four years ago.

Thanks for sharing, be well! 🤙
Oh, I wasn’t speaking about you. Just a general gripe. Sorry if it sounded like I was singling you (or anyone else) out.
 
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PipeIT

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Oh, I wasn’t speaking about you. Just a general gripe. Sorry if it sounded like I was singling you (or anyone else) out.

Oh it’s all cool, I didn’t look at it like singling me, I just assumed you might of been chatting to me is all.

But I wanted to make myself clear, so you didn’t think I was carrying any sort of negative tone towards you.

Take care… 🤙
 
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hoipolloiglasgow

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I’ve heard the Hu blends aren’t weren’t what they were 20 years ago, but Kopp is reknown for changes. I’ve heard from a reliable source that they are using way less Perique and subbing red Virginia for orange. Less Perique isn’t a positive one in my book, but that’s the way of business as it’s expensive. This isn’t a problem for Pease blends as C&D has a reliable source. Regardless, all of the recent stuff I have tried is top notch. They have a way of making really strong Latakia blends taste like they aren’t as strong as they are which I find impressive. I’m very happy to have them available in the US.
 
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pappymac

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I have to just roll my eyes every time somebody pulls the old, "This tobacco was GREAT in the old days, but now it's a shell of itself..." Etc. I've heard it said about Germain's/Esoterica, Gawith, Dunhill/Peterson, and now (apparently) HU. I've been smoking blends since the 80's, started in my teens, and have never found a blend to be dramatically different, much less worse, than it was the first time I smoked it. Variations occur, but to simply dismiss a brand because "good old days" is absurd to me. It's also been fun watching McClelland blends that once languished on the shelf suddenly become the epitome of tobacco. HU was great when I smoked it while stationed in Germany, it was great a couple months ago when I traded for some, and I'm sure it's great right now. Get some for yourself and decide.
I agree.
I don't know why a lot of people believe a blend is going to be exactly the same every time the purchase it. In my opinion, tobacco is a consumable crop. It gets harvested, processed, sold and then smoked. Once that crop of tobacco is gone, it is gone.

Being a plant there is no guarantee that the next crop is going to be exactly the same. Why? Because there are numerable variations that can present itself such as soil quality and condition, water quality, fertilizer used (if any), etc.

It is much the same with wine makers and why the bottles of the good stuff is labeled with vintage years. You know the wineries are going to do everything they can to exactly duplicate the wine from one year to the next but there are still variations. Which is why a wine can be award winning one year and not the next.
 

geoffs

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I have to just roll my eyes every time somebody pulls the old, "This tobacco was GREAT in the old days, but now it's a shell of itself..." Etc. I've heard it said about Germain's/Esoterica, Gawith, Dunhill/Peterson, and now (apparently) HU. I've been smoking blends since the 80's, started in my teens, and have never found a blend to be dramatically different, much less worse, than it was the first time I smoked it. Variations occur, but to simply dismiss a brand because "good old days" is absurd to me. It's also been fun watching McClelland blends that once languished on the shelf suddenly become the epitome of tobacco. HU was great when I smoked it while stationed in Germany, it was great a couple months ago when I traded for some, and I'm sure it's great right now. Get some for yourself and decide.
This isn't unique to pipe tobacco.
I've seen the same thing with cigars and scotch.
Movies have gotten worse over the decades.
Hell, even music ain't as good as it used to be.
Oh, and if I talked to my parents the way my kids talk to me I'd have received a few lashes with dad's belt.
Wait.. what were we talking about again?
 
It is much the same with wine makers and why the bottles of the good stuff is labeled with vintage years.
Yes and no. First off, the "good wines" are very rare to come across these days, because you won't just be able to walk into a store and buy a bottle. You get a broker to find them for you. Most (almost all) wineries will blend their wines and use meta-bisulfites to preserve and control fermentation... also stopping the aging process. So, dates on bottles doesn't mean as much as they used to.

So, single crop wines using no sulfites is very rare and made mostly for competitions. and this is why they will cost you plenty.

We can expect unblended tobaccos with no casings to also be of this caliber. But, HU is/was a heavily cased set of blends... "blends"
Traditionally in tobacco manufacturing, these will mostly taste the same year to year, unless a crop in no longer available, and at that point, the blend should just be pulled from market.

Changing the casing and the constituent leaf, and yet labelling the tobacco the same as it was previously is merely a deceptive form of making money off the dead.

HU is NOT sold with vintage dates, nor are they single crop. So, these are production blends that merely changed the recipes to make as much money as possible.

Thus, our complaints are valid. IMO.
 

Auxsender

Lifer
Jul 17, 2022
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Some if them yes, but the warehouse blends and african lines were only available in the paint can style tins. This new packaging for the US market are not paint cans, so what I’m trying to ascertain is whether they are sealed 100g tins, or just a bag of tobacco in an unsealed metal tin. Based on the photos it’s impossible to say for sure. I would guess they would be sealed, just trying to see if anyone knows for sure.
Call Watch City after roughly 2 pm and talk to Ernie. He sells em and he can tell you all about the tins. He’s been a big help whenever I’ve called.