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Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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The whole idea of pipe smoking is enjoyable flavor and fragrance. When that goes bad, and can't be corrected by tamping, picking, or otherwise adjusting the ember, I end the smoke.

For all of my cobs, and most of my briars, with most blends, that is pretty near the bottom of the chamber. Then my signal is that the pipe won't relight.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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It just wastes tobacco by collecting it in a damp plug at the bottom of the bowl.
That's really affected more by the technique of the smoker. A pipe's design won't solve that.


Guess I have to go and buy a cigar.
You can use any sort of ash. Some have even used fireplace mortar. Changing a chamber's geometry can drastically alter the pipe's performance. Proceed with caution.
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Bents are often deliberately bored with chambers that end slightly below the draft hole. It's to reduce the amount of goop smokers suck into their mouths while smoking.

Generally speaking, and this will be a surprise for some of our members, most pipe carvers actually know what they're doing. I know. Shocking. I realize that it's somehow fashionable for end users to act like they're more expert than the person who makes the equipment, but in truth that's bullshit.

Smoking a pipe isn't rocket science. Take pipe, insert material to be burned, set fire to it, draw air through airway to keep fire burning, burn down material, empty chamber when done, repeat.

On the other hand, smoking a pipe to get the best out of it requires experience, learning how to balance the components, the pipe, the material, and the burning process, to get the most enjoyable result.

People smoke pipes for different reasons. Some want to look interesting or hip, some like creating billowing clouds of smoke. Some look at it as simply a delivery system for getting a nicotine hit while others are more focused on flavors and not so much on the nic hit. So what do you want to get out of pipe smoking?

I'm into pipe smoking primarily for flavors, so I've learned how to maximize that result. Generally it involves slow smoking, low moisture of the tobacco, and a lightly firm pack. I want the tobacco to simmer at the edge of going out because that's when I get the most intense flavors. I just keep it simmering around the glowing cherry, because that little bit of steamy smoke carries the flavors. I don't smoke hot. I smoke slow and cool.

As for how far down do I smoke a bowl? It varies. Sometime I'm surprised when I'm suddenly sipping ash. Other times I'm done when a bowl's half done. I might finish that bowl later, or the next day. I might just toss it.

Different tobacco blends burn differently, so don't develop any blanket sort of expectation. There are times when I can put a lit bowl in a coat pocket while I go into a store to pick up some items, pay for them, then exit and pull the pipe from my pocket and keep smoking without a relight even though it's been 15 minutes or more.

That's because that blend will continue to simmer, not because I'm so masterful. Well, I'm somewhat masterful, but not that masterful. Other blends need more constant attention, and some of them burn like they're coated with fire retardant.

Thing is, practice makes perfect. You get a sense of how it clicks together for you by doing it. You can get suggestions but you won't understand them without experience and practice.

Want to really know how to smoke a pipe? Just smoke the goddamn thing. Experiment with moisture levels, packing densities, etc, etc, but smoke the goddamn thing and don't worry about it. When it comes to pipe smoking, experience is the only teacher worth a shit.
 

driftedshank1

Might Stick Around
Jul 3, 2018
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Every pipe maker, regardless of whether it's a factory pipe maker using fraized bowls or an artisan woud like to see the draft hole driled on center and flush with the bottom of the bowl, i.e., neither high or low. That doesn't always happen, even with expensive artisan pipes. High draft holes make it essentially impossible to smoke to the very bottom. With low draft holes it can be done but it may be unpleasant. With low draft holes sometimes the bottom can successfully be lowered to make the hole flush. Pipes that are drilled correctly have the best chance of smoking to the very bottom.

However, here's where the type of chamber drill comes into play. Too "U" or "V' shaped a chamber might affect the ability to smoke to the bottom easily, A chamber drill that gently tapers toward the bottom makes it easier to do. In my view, with proper chamber construction and drilling, smoking to the bottom is achievable with no harm to the pipe and great tasting smokes are possible. I've found that pipes repeatedly smoked to the bottom yield the best smokes. As has been discussed many times previously, the wood needs to be well seasoned and airflow has to be as turbulence free as possible or even though the pipe may smoke to the bottom, the taste may still be unpleasant. That's the case even with a pipe with a gently tapered chamber and a flush draft hole.

One last point- I agree with the others who say if your tobacco is too wet or you filled the pipe with poor technique, smoking to the bottom may be hard to do and the taste may be unpleasant even if the wood is well seasoned and the engineering, as described above, is perfect. So there is a lot that has to come together to achieve great tasting smokes right to the bottom. Are there exceptions to all this? I'm sure many smokers will say there are based upon their experience. OK, that's part of what makes our hobby so interesting.

At the end of the day though, if your pipe starts to taste bad regardless of how far you've gotten down the bowl, dump it. Why suffer? Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good.
 

clynch

Can't Leave
Feb 3, 2013
368
882
Pensacola Florida
I smoke as long as its good. Frequently thats 1/3 of a bowl. I will relight the pipe the following day. Frequently its even better. Day two Smoke while its still good and then toss when not awesome anymore. I have gone to the bottom just a couple times. It was still good.
 
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Jan 28, 2018
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I smoke a bowl until I'm done with it. Then I empty out the bowl and start on another soon thereafter. What comes out may be mostly ash, sometimes a little dottle, sometimes more. Were I smoking something expensive, such as gold, diamonds or a gallon of gas, I'd give more thought to getting every last bit out of the bowl. As it is, when it quits being enjoyable and/or starts to require much effort, it's done. Keep it simple.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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Main factors are the tobacco a shag is not hard to smoke most of or cube cut anything on the dry side. But one huge factor is how it is packed i found that if i gravity fill and only put any pressure on the top third that it is much easier to smoke down. My rule is that relights are fine but if i have two in close sucession it is time to dump the pipe. Of course this excludes flakes and relights caused by neglect and inattention.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,680
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
I smoke a bowl until I'm done with it. Then I empty out the bowl and start on another soon thereafter. What comes out may be mostly ash, sometimes a little dottle, sometimes more. Were I smoking something expensive, such as gold, diamonds or a gallon of gas, I'd give more thought to getting every last bit out of the bowl. As it is, when it quits being enjoyable and/or starts to require much effort, it's done. Keep it simple.
one of the common failures in pipes are people burning out the chamber trying get those last shreds, and even a grabow is worth more then those last shreds of dottle
 

Anchovies

Might Stick Around
Bents are often deliberately bored with chambers that end slightly below the draft hole. It's to reduce the amount of goop smokers suck into their mouths while smoking.

Generally speaking, and this will be a surprise for some of our members, most pipe carvers actually know what they're doing. I know. Shocking. I realize that it's somehow fashionable for end users to act like they're more expert than the person who makes the equipment, but in truth that's bullshit.
I hear you man, and I expect what you say is mostly spot-on.

However ... well, see below.


Yeah, if I were OP I would just leave it as is, but I would also understand wanting to do it.
I feel it really ruined an otherwise beautiful pipe to be honest. I can't be 100% it was due solely that issue because it's not even yet properly broken-in, but tobacco just didn't taste good in that pipe. Sour and harsh, when the same blend was delicious in another pipe. Regardless, I'm sure having a plug of wet tobacco in the bottom of the bowl was not helping at all.

I also watched a few YouTube videos on pipe repair & restoration after looking up "pipe mud", and the videos I watched described it as a flaw in the manufacturing of the pipe that will cause gurgling and unwanted moisture in the briar. They even shone a flashlight down the stem to ensure the drill-hole was perfectly flush with the bottom of the pipe (you can tell if it makes a straight line across the bottom of the bowl, as opposed to a dot of light on the opposite wall, which indicates that the bowl is too deep. Apparently.

Anyway, I went and bought and then smoked a cigar, made the pipe mud and "fixed" the pipe. I will give it a few days to dry then give it a coating of bowl-liner and give that a few days to dry, then I'll give it a smoke and let you know.

It's a really beautiful and unique looking pipe, called "The Kracken" by Ben Wade. I can't find any pictures of it online so I guess it might have even been a one-off. But I really love how it looks and want it to be a good smoker.

So fingers-crossed. :)

The funny thing is, if you prefer to leave a little tobacco at the end of the smoke, it is pointless to worry about breaking in the bottom of the bowl. If you don't smoke it that far down don't worry about a carbon layer that far down. Do what you like and don't overthink it.
Yes, I was wondering about that actually. I had assumed it's probably wise to break in the bottom of the pipe even if you don't smoke it all the way down. Because it's going to get very hot regardless of a few strands of tobacco "protecting it" at the end. That was my guess anyway. Maybe it's not needed unless the cherry is directly touching the bowl.

In any case, if everything is right - the pipe is good, the tobacco is good, and I'm smoking it right, then I'll sometimes get to the bottom of the bowl anyway. But often something is not right and it starts to taste pretty sour by the last one-fifth or so.

The old advice was to break in a new pipe by starting out loading it only 1/3 full for X amount of smokes, then half full for X amount of bowls and then full (or something like this). Greg Pease also has an article on this somewhere breaking in a castello with this method with good affect. Some poo poo this and “just load up and smoke”.

You may want to try this 1/3 method to break in a pipe so your last part of your bowl isn’t a sticky gross filter of tars and saliva from a full bowl and so you don’t over heat.

I already do that. :) And it does help. But assuming you don't want to smoke 1/3 bowls all the time....
 
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Anchovies

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Bents are often deliberately bored with chambers that end slightly below the draft hole. It's to reduce the amount of goop smokers suck into their mouths while smoking.

Generally speaking, and this will be a surprise for some of our members, most pipe carvers actually know what they're doing. I know. Shocking. I realize that it's somehow fashionable for end users to act like they're more expert than the person who makes the equipment, but in truth that's bullshit.
I hear you man, and I expect what you say is mostly spot-on. I can't quite get a mental picture of why exactly a flushly-drilled hole would cause more goop to be sucked through a bent pipe rather than any other, but I'll take your word for it.

I'm sure the pipe-maker knows what he is doing - it's a beautiful pipe. But also, mistakes can happen. This one seemed very cheap for a pipe that - as far as I can tell - was a one-off unique (I can't find any pictures of it online anyway), maybe that was why? Just a flaw. Shit happens, regardless of "who knows best".

A drill hole literally 1/3 the way up the bowl does seem a little extreme. Like it was ... over 1cm off the floor of the bowl.

Regardless ... see my post above.
 
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Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
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I can't quite get a mental picture of why exactly a flushly-drilled hole would cause more goop to be sucked through a bent pipe rather than any other, but I'll take your word for it.
See my post above.

Post in thread 'How far down the bowl do you stop smoking? + related questions' How far down the bowl do you stop smoking? + related questions :: Pipe Smoking Basics & Beginner Questions - https://pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/how-far-down-the-bowl-do-you-stop-smoking-related-questions.91948/post-36612991


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Knowing that from the get go would've been helpful. If from Ben Wade's Danish era, the draft hole drilled above the chamber floor was quite normal and was drilled that way for a moisture trap. Also guessing it has the fancy freehand stem fitting.

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These stem types have no tenon chamfering and will create turbulence in the airflow. Smoking them very fast at all will create a lot of condensation at the base of the tenon. Drying the tobacco and packing loosely helps.
 
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CallMeSangy

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 12, 2022
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Smoking anywhere from down to 1/3rd left to a tenth is where i stop. unfortuntetly it seems aros tend to give off a lot of moisture that tends to collect in the bottom bits of the chamber. i imagine tar and what not collects over time and ruins the smoke. ruin? not really more just makes me sad the tastes gone by the time i get down there and have to throw it out. depends on how heavily the baccas been flavored and quality of the tobacco. so third and less is where i stop sometimes(cheap bulks anyway).

non aros tend to carry themselves better towards the end of the bowl for me. since they lack the food tasting flavoring, it isn't as impactful if there's a flavor change for whatever reason as the smoke dwindles.also leaving a bowl out after smoking seems to impact the bottom of the bowl aswell. though that's me being lazy starting a bowl before bed at midnight, and waking up the next morning to finish it. could be good or meh. smoke it or throw it i just try not to get hung up on it.
 
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Anchovies

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See my post above.

Post in thread 'How far down the bowl do you stop smoking? + related questions' How far down the bowl do you stop smoking? + related questions :: Pipe Smoking Basics & Beginner Questions - https://pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/how-far-down-the-bowl-do-you-stop-smoking-related-questions.91948/post-36612991



Knowing that from the get go would've been helpful. If from Ben Wade's Danish era, the draft hole drilled above the chamber floor was quite normal and was drilled that way for a moisture trap. Also guessing it has the fancy freehand stem fitting.

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These stem types have no tenon chamfering and will create turbulence in the airflow. Smoking them very fast at all will create a lot of condensation at the base of the tenon. Drying the tobacco and packing loosely helps.

No, it is not like that pipe. It has a huge fat stem and takes a 9mm filter.

However, I take the point that the drilling may have been intentional. Intentional or not, I didn't like it from the very first bowl. And it was really high up. Like over 1cm from the bottom of the bowl.

I'm still letting the pip-mud set (it feels rock hard, but they said to wait a few days), hopefully I will like it better after that.

If for some reason I don't - which is hard to imagine as I really didn't like it before - I can always just dig out the pip mud with a screw-driver or something.
 
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AJL67

Lifer
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No, it is not like that pipe. It has a huge fat stem and takes a 9mm filter.

However, I take the point that the drilling may have been intentional. Intentional or not, I didn't like it from the very first bowl. And it was really high up. Like over 1cm from the bottom of the bowl.

I'm still letting the pip-mud set (it feels rock hard, but they said to wait a few days), hopefully I will like it better after that.

If for some reason I don't - which is hard to imagine as I really didn't like it before - I can always just dig out the pip mud with a screw-driver or something.
Seems these would have met your need, been easier and only a few bucks, also easy to take out if you change you mind.

Scotte Screens Pipe Screen Filters Steel Screen Ball (50pack) https://a.co/d/dAkt3Ep
 

Anchovies

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Here are a few photos of my pipe.

I tried to get the camera inside the bowl so you can see the "repair job" I did with the pipe-mud - and then a coating of bowl-liner made of charcoal and sour cream applied with a small brush and left to dry.

I smoked my first bowl in it this morning and it is really much improved. No more sour taste and smoked all the way down to a fine grey ash. Not even any dottle at all.


 
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Here are a few photos of my pipe.

I tried to get the camera inside the bowl so you can see the "repair job" I did with the pipe-mud - and then a coating of bowl-liner made of charcoal and sour cream applied with a small brush and left to dry.

I smoked my first bowl in it this morning and it is really much improved. No more sour taste and smoked all the way down to a fine grey ash. Not even any dottle at all.


Glad it worked out for you. It definitely makes a difference when you are happy with the pipe you're smoking.
 
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