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[brian64]

I was avoiding this one, because I thought it was about eBooks. I had no idea that this was the "let's weave political innuendos throughout a thread" post and get away with it, ha ha.

I think it's safe to assume you're referring to a couple of my comments, so I'll just point out that the first page comment was stating plainly my opinion of TV "journalists". In doing so, I made no political comment whatsoever.

So criticizing TV news without mentioning anything political, is in itself political? That perspective is very telling.

As for the other comment later in the thread addressing essentially censorship issues, I will point out two things...first it was a MOD who kept questioning me for more details as to exactly why I prefer hard copies. He wasn't content with my less explicit answers so I answered him. And the part referring to those "in charge" is meant to be as much about the corporate sector as the public sector.

And again, I find it very telling that people would consider anti-censorship statements to be political without mentioning any politician, political party or specific ideology or specifying left/right etc. It's symptomatic of these very Orwellian times we're in.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

my opinion of TV "journalists". In doing so, I made no political comment whatsoever.

Not just your comment... but now that you mention it, there is only one political party that hates journalist and has politicized the media. Me, I don't like either parties, nor their rhetoric. It makes the forum a much better place when we don't know the political sides of the members.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

And again, I find it very telling that people would consider anti-censorship statements to be political without mentioning any politician, political party or specific ideology or specifying left/right etc. It's symptomatic of these very Orwellian times we're in.

I must have missed the censorship thing.

 

[brian64]

Not just your comment... but now that you mention it, there is only one political party that hates journalist and has politicized the media. Me, I don't like either parties, nor their rhetoric. It makes the forum a much better place when we don't know the political sides of the members.

Really? So there is a political party in this country that "hates journalists"? Wow...I definitely do not agree with that, and I certainly do not hate journalists. But I don't like either of the two major parties either, so I'm glad we have that in common.

But I find it interesting that political parties were never brought up in this thread until now...and I did not bring them up.

EDIT: and just for the sake of clarity, my page 1 comment is specifically about corporate TV news, which is not even close to being journalism IMO (and that includes all of them...even the one that everyone considers to be "right wing").

If anyone else considers it to be journalism, that's their opinion and they're entitled to it, just as I am to mine. And if my disdain for corporate TV news offends someone.......oh well.

 

[warren]

Neither party likes journalists they can't seem to co-opt. But, that applies to businesses and people in the spotlight. No one likes any writer who opposes them. Lincoln sent one or two editors off to Canada for being too "loud" in their opposition to his actions. The "Honorable Opposition" pretty much only existed in the "honorable opposition's" mind.

With respect to journalism, no medium owner is going to hire a journalist/editor who disagrees with the owner's position on any matter. What is the use of owning a newspaper, TV station, or publishing house if you can't imprint your position on the public? No point at all! Simply a frivolous waste of moneys. Indeed, the chances of a reporter, publisher, etc. being able to keep their leanings out of their messages? Zero! That's is why, if you wish to form reasonable opinions on the state of "things", you must read/watch/listen to media you often disagree with or, simply stay ill informed, basing your beliefs on only the side you already agree with. No growth or maturing doing that but, it is an easy way to muddle through life . . . ill informed.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

no medium owner is going to hire a journalist/editor who disagrees with the owner's position on any matter

This isn't the thread for this sort of discussion. In Debate we would call this a Crit. In the forums we call it a train wreck. It's not your fault Warren. You just stepped into it. But, I disagree wholeheartedly about going against the media owners. This is a major part of what a journalist would learn in school, and an owner would have to understand. I never hear libs hating on journalists as a whole, but after Trump called journalists "fake news" his hardcore followers all have been saying exactly what Brian has been saying.

Ok, done. I don't want to get a warning. But, we have certain members who pull political punches and then hide behind this argument that a party was not mentioned. It is like saying Guns should all be illegal, and then saying that it wasn't political. We get away with some politics, when they are directly tied to tobacco and pipes.

 

[brian64]

This isn't the thread for this sort of discussion. In Debate we would call this a Crit. In the forums we call it a train wreck. It's not your fault Warren. You just stepped into it. But, I disagree wholeheartedly about going against the media owners. This is a major part of what a journalist would learn in school, and an owner would have to understand. I never hear libs hating on journalists as a whole, but after Trump called journalists "fake news" his hardcore followers all have been saying exactly what Brian has been saying.

Ok, done. I don't want to get a warning. But, we have certain members who pull political punches and then hide behind this argument that a party was not mentioned. It is like saying Guns should all be illegal, and then saying that it wasn't political. We get away with some politics, when they are directly tied to tobacco and pipes.

Wow. Cosmic, I like you, but the above is a real load of crap LOL.

YOU brought politics into this discussion...sorry, but that's just the way it is.

And now you have more or less insinuated that I'm a "hard core Trump follower" (not that there's anything wrong with that) but just for the record since you just had to say that...there is currently only one Presidential candidate I would want to vote for, and he's a Democrat.

And yes, I do agree with Trump about one thing...there's a lot of "fake news" on TV...and it's not journalism. And I've been of that opinion for LONG before the Trump era...I sure as hell didn't get it from him.

 

[warren]

This isn't the thread for this sort of discussion.

You're correct of course. But, The crowd seems to enjoy "train wrecks" on the whole. I simply loosened a feel bolts on the trestle.

One of the reasons my wife left journalism was the growing lack of objective editors. I will note that she was a sharer in both a Pulitzer Prize and a Loeb Award. She had high standards which caused her many disagreements with editors possessed of an agenda embraced by the owner(s).

With that said, I'll try to remain on track.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Don't think anyone will be real surprised, but this one is done.