I have been trying to get my bestfriend's little brother that smokes PA cigars and Black & Milds. That he would be better off $ wise to buy a pipe and some tobacco. He doesn't seem to want to belive me. I can't get him to look up the prices or the fact that if he loves those blends so much that he could even still buy tubs or pouches of the same tobacco for way less. He says "I'm not trying to hurry up and look like a old man like you!" I'm the only young pipe smoker he's ever seen. He doesn't want to realize that his cigars are filled with pipe tobacco just like my bowl and I don't spent $6 a pk. for 5 cigars that only last him 1.5 days. He's seen that my bowl burns slower that his tobacco by product paper rolled cigar. Not to mention that he unpacks them to remove one of the papers then repacks them because their packed to tight. Wouldn't you fellows say he's pretty stupid? I'm trying to get him to check out pipesmagazine and join the league of true pipe smokers. I'm not trying to put middltons out of bussiness, just enlighten a freind. On how to save money and find a whole new world of flavors since he loves all of the flavors of pipe tobacco cigars. It can't be just me don't you think it would be cheaper and more enjoyable for him in the long run?