Hoarding and Panic Buying
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Excellent point AC!
I raised this earlier, but did not see a reply: About when did the knowledge that cellaring could improve many tobaccos become widespread?
I raised this earlier, but did not see a reply: About when did the knowledge that cellaring could improve many tobaccos become widespread?
Great question. I am hoarding what I can when I can. Just put 5 more tins of Escudo in the Cellar. Part of the reason is what many have already pointed out, the price of things will only go up. But also there is the fear that something will happen to our laws that may change what is available. If some of my favorite blends became impossible to get that would really suck but if I have a strong cellar I don't need to worry. Thankfully do to some advice from Cigarmaster a few years ago I havve been able to stock up on a few of the harder to find tobaccos like CVP and BCDF.
Also though I like the Pipe Tool online or the app which allows me to catalogue my cellar I find that it contributes to the buying. It figures based on a bowl a day model that I have about 12 years of tobacco. That is approx 4500 bowls of tobacco. But I'm only 38 and plan to stick with the hobby for life, so I'm going to need a good bit more than I've got. My goal is 50 lbs which will give me close to 25 years of tobacco. I will of course buy more, but this will be my nest egg for when prices skyrocket or the tobacco apocolypse finally hits. The persecuted smoker will only become more persecuted and we all know it. Better to buy now if we can and be ready for when the day comes. Thankfully I'm not a fan of Penzance or Stonehaven.
Also though I like the Pipe Tool online or the app which allows me to catalogue my cellar I find that it contributes to the buying. It figures based on a bowl a day model that I have about 12 years of tobacco. That is approx 4500 bowls of tobacco. But I'm only 38 and plan to stick with the hobby for life, so I'm going to need a good bit more than I've got. My goal is 50 lbs which will give me close to 25 years of tobacco. I will of course buy more, but this will be my nest egg for when prices skyrocket or the tobacco apocolypse finally hits. The persecuted smoker will only become more persecuted and we all know it. Better to buy now if we can and be ready for when the day comes. Thankfully I'm not a fan of Penzance or Stonehaven.
@Warren-you're a retired copper. Do I have to tell you how honest any of us can be trusted to be? This is where your life's experience and hard-won intuition come into play!
I would say somewhere between hobby and addiction. Obsession? Probably not. For me, more enjoyable than all-consuming. Bordering on addiction? Probably. I am no clinician, and don't pretend to be. Addiction is a clinical diagnosis; not qualified to make the call. But I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I were diagnosed as such. Hobby? Definitely. A pastime I derive much pleasure from, enjoy discussing with like-minded fellow enthusiasts, and make no profit from? I would venture to say that qualifies as a hobby.
I would say somewhere between hobby and addiction. Obsession? Probably not. For me, more enjoyable than all-consuming. Bordering on addiction? Probably. I am no clinician, and don't pretend to be. Addiction is a clinical diagnosis; not qualified to make the call. But I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I were diagnosed as such. Hobby? Definitely. A pastime I derive much pleasure from, enjoy discussing with like-minded fellow enthusiasts, and make no profit from? I would venture to say that qualifies as a hobby.
Good points. I guess those who feel an ache, a letdown, a craving for nic in the absence of same might be truly addicted.
And, as Warren has made a number of comments on how revealing many posts are, I am sure he's got more than a few of us figured out!
And, as Warren has made a number of comments on how revealing many posts are, I am sure he's got more than a few of us figured out!
I have always enjoyed hunting for elusive things. That's why I hunt morel mushrooms, try to catch big fish in little streams, and try to hit those bottomless powder days skiing in the winter. Finding rare tobacco blends fits into that desire. I don't really care how much Stonehaven I have in my cellar- several bags would probably last me a long time. I just like trying to find it. The fact that it will only increase in value makes me want to hang onto it when I find it though. There are definitely some cranky old farts on this forum that will insist that all this scrambling for hard to find blends is bad for the pipe smoking community, but as another poster said, what other people do with their money is none of my business.
I like to think I've got some of the members figured out. But, then one will jump up and do a one-eighty. Still it's fun and I do realize that all of us only reveal bits and pieces of ourselves. Only what we want to be known. So, I take my own a opinion with a grain of salt if and until I meet someone face to face. Even then my opinion is only that, an opinion which is valuable only to me.
I resemble that remark. And I agree that how people spend their money is really none of my business. But, when it shows up on the forum it is open season as far as I'm concerned. There's too little joy in life and when the opening appears here, I'm in!
jpmcwjr:
And of course, the answer to everything else is "The Internet".
Technically I'm betting that it has been common knowledge for centuries, and that smokers didn't care about it before because they expected the tobacco company to do it for them.
And of course, the answer to everything else is "The Internet".
Guys:
I don't consider myself a hoarder, just practical. Tobacco is right behind alcohol when it comes to being an easy financial fix for any government shortfall. "Boost that sin tax another notch or two and all will be right with world."
I live in Kansas and I do admire what our sitting governor is trying to accomplish: making our state more attractive for out of state businesses to relocate. But, the recent budget deficit made the powers at be reach for the lowest common denominator: raising taxes on booze and smokes. (Nothing permanent, right? Just for a few months.)
I'm too tired to do a US Census breakdown of our population, but aside from from the Wichita metro area, most Kansans live in the eastern part of the state, where there's rain and okay to better than average crop yields. Like us, a lot of those folks will drive to Missouri where alcohol and tobacco is much cheaper.
Sable, honor bright. I don't hoard. But, by God, we do stockpile my favorite pipe blends and favorite bourbons - if only to stay abreast and ahead of the asshat tax clowns.
Fnord
I don't consider myself a hoarder, just practical. Tobacco is right behind alcohol when it comes to being an easy financial fix for any government shortfall. "Boost that sin tax another notch or two and all will be right with world."
I live in Kansas and I do admire what our sitting governor is trying to accomplish: making our state more attractive for out of state businesses to relocate. But, the recent budget deficit made the powers at be reach for the lowest common denominator: raising taxes on booze and smokes. (Nothing permanent, right? Just for a few months.)
I'm too tired to do a US Census breakdown of our population, but aside from from the Wichita metro area, most Kansans live in the eastern part of the state, where there's rain and okay to better than average crop yields. Like us, a lot of those folks will drive to Missouri where alcohol and tobacco is much cheaper.
Sable, honor bright. I don't hoard. But, by God, we do stockpile my favorite pipe blends and favorite bourbons - if only to stay abreast and ahead of the asshat tax clowns.
Fnord
Pipe smoking does seem to draw a fair few obsessive types, but thats only logical assuming a lot of people who take up the pipe are looking for something to help them relax, add in increasing taxation and potential nicotine addiction to the mix and hoarding seems a very likely outcome!
Warren, I am never sure whether to bring this up or not, but when I read your posts my brain subconsciously makes it sound like Jeff Bridges is speaking them, think 'True Grit' rather than 'The Big Lebowski'...this is not meant to be offensive, it must be to do with your writing style...and the fact that you casually wrestle bear and moose on the front lawn (possible misquote).
Isaac
Warren, I am never sure whether to bring this up or not, but when I read your posts my brain subconsciously makes it sound like Jeff Bridges is speaking them, think 'True Grit' rather than 'The Big Lebowski'...this is not meant to be offensive, it must be to do with your writing style...and the fact that you casually wrestle bear and moose on the front lawn (possible misquote).
Isaac
There are worse people to evoke than a "one eyed, fat man" who was flawed but very comfortable in his own skin. I do indeed take that as a compliment. Thank you!
Every single interest/hobby I've ever been a part of which depends upon a limited natural resource has had, among its members, this exact same conversation. It isn't unique to pipe tobacco at all. I remember back in the mid-late ninetys during the cigar boom, ever time a new issue of Cigar Aficionado came out with cigar ratings, those cigars vanished from cigar store shelves. Wine Spectator, same thing. Hoarding is a very specific disorder. I've seen the show and not once have I seen a hoarders home stocked with Stonehaven, OpusX, or fine Bordeaux. If things go as expected, we are all about to witness another cigar boom. When it happens, think cigar store shelves will be packed with Monticristo n2, Partagas series d no4, and Cohiba Esplendidos? Nope, they'll be hard to come by, far harder than it is now.
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