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Lifer
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Then there was this one.

"stupid kitty cat!" "fuck you dude!" 😆
The still that shows in the YouTube link of the front paws outstretched as the cat is flying along is pretty scary.
I hunt coyotes and such by calling them in, and used to want to call a lion in. Once I realized that a healthy cat averages the weight of a bantam weight boxer, and kills things for a living, backed by evolution to do so extremely efficiently, I now just hope to never have one sneak up on me with ill intent.
I’ve found that the best way to never see mountain lions is to have a rifle and a valid lion tag-in my experience they never appear when I’m so equipped.
 

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Lifer
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You'd probably know the answer to this Sig. So of all the wild animal attacks in the states, excluding dogs,where to cats (lions) rate? As in how many. We've all heard of bear attacks but what of cats? Are they rare?
Well, in my experience bear attacks are much more common than lion attacks. But lion attacks are usually fatal, while MOST bear attacks are not fatal.
Lions and black bears hunt humans for food. Brown bears generally only attack if they are sick, or to protect cubs, or over territory. They can all attack if you corner or frighten them.
This is why its commonly taught to play dead with a brown bear, but fight like a Honey Badger if attacked by a black bear or lion. Brown bears just want you neutralized, black bears and lions want to eat you.
This surprises most people. Most believe Brown bears are the eaters, but they very seldom hunt humans. If they happen to kill you while defending cubs, they just might eat you. But black bears have been known to follow people, then pull them from their tents and eat them, that's hunting.
Brown bears include grizzly bears. Brown bears live near the salt water coasts, while Grizzlies are brown bears that live inland. Thats why Idaho and Montana have Grizzlies, while Alaska has brown bears. They are the same species, but the coastal browns are generally bigger due to high salmon intake.
In my experience, Grizzlies are much more ornery and more likely to be nosey. A nosey bear is a dangerous bear. They approach you because they are nosey. Then maul you because you're too close. :)
What was the question?
Oh, lion attacks are more rare than bear attacks, but lion attacks are more often fatal.
Bear attacks are on the rise world wide. In Japan they recently called in the military to help with the bears. Bear attacks in Japan are out of control. The bears territory is being eaten away, and the people can't hunt them. Most people have no idea Japan has bears, but they have lots of brown bears and Asian black bears.
 

Briarcutter

Lifer
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Well, in my experience bear attacks are much more common than lion attacks. But lion attacks are usually fatal, while MOST bear attacks are not fatal.
Lions and black bears hunt humans for food. Brown bears generally only attack if they are sick, or to protect cubs, or over territory. They can all attack if you corner or frighten them.
This is why its commonly taught to play dead with a brown bear, but fight like a Honey Badger if attacked by a black bear or lion. Brown bears just want you neutralized, black bears and lions want to eat you.
This surprises most people. Most believe Brown bears are the eaters, but they very seldom hunt humans. If they happen to kill you while defending cubs, they just might eat you. But black bears have been known to follow people, then pull them from their tents and eat them, that's hunting.
Brown bears include grizzly bears. Brown bears live near the salt water coasts, while Grizzlies are brown bears that live inland. Thats why Idaho and Montana have Grizzlies, while Alaska has brown bears. They are the same species, but the coastal browns are generally bigger due to high salmon intake.
In my experience, Grizzlies are much more ornery and more likely to be nosey. A nosey bear is a dangerous bear. They approach you because they are nosey. Then maul you because you're too close. :)
What was the question?
Oh, lion attacks are more rare than bear attacks, but lion attacks are more often fatal.
Bear attacks are on the rise world wide. In Japan they recently called in the military to help with the bears. Bear attacks in Japan are out of control. The bears territory is being eaten away, and the people can't hunt them. Most people have no idea Japan has bears, but they have lots of brown bears and Asian black bears.
Thank you! So, lions in the US aren't anything to fool with! I had no idea bears were a problem in Japan.
 
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Lifer
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Never run from a cougar, running away stimulates their chase response! You'll see this response even in house cats. That's why trail running can be dangerous.
Smaller bobcats will never bother you unless they're rabid. The only attacks by bobcats I know of are when they thought the person was something else, like someone in full camo with a turkey call. And when they find out it's a human, they flee.
We've had a small number of coyote attacks on children in Portland. No cougar attacks, though we do have them in a large park near us (they are photographed at night on security cameras by the park).
Ammoland.com did an interesting series of articles on bear attacks and what was effective defense:
 

SmokingInTheWind

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and lions want to eat you.
We routinely see and hear coyotes around the house. Occasionally we see a bobcat. My wife saw a transient Mexican gray wolf saunter by just beyond our patio wall. A neighbor told me he and his family watched it at length in broad daylight in their backyard the same day. He said it was definitely Lobo. We have lots of cottontails around so it attracts all kinds of critters. There is no hunting going on in this area so the critters have little fear of man. This is all entertaining and not too concerning. Then my neighbor at the end of our street recently told me that he and his wife had two friends over for dinner and a mountain lion strolled through his backyard with a rabbit in its mouth while they were eating. This was late afternoon and they all got a good long look at it. He said it was not a bobcat, definitely a mountain lion. That really concerns me.

Growing up in rural Western Maine out in the country there were quite a few bear around. Because hunting bear with dogs was common back then we never saw more than an occasional glimpse of black, and never close to the house. The bear learned to fear dogs and people which was good for all involved including the bears, because most men would not have allowed bears to encroach on their home and family. A curious bear would have become a dead bear. We had dog food outside, a compost bin with vegetable scraps, bird feeders, and a 55 gallon drum we put our trash bags in. The bears never disturbed any of it. The wildlife where I live now has little fear of man. This is not a good balance for coexistence.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
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Well, there is this propensity amongst Asians to see all furry wildlife as cute snugums just waiting around to have you do a selfie with them.

Non-sequitor: I am convinced that your average house kitty could easily kill you, if they wished to do so.
 
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SmokingInTheWind

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we learned that if you see a bear cub, take immediate action to protect yourself.
When we lived in Vermont we lived out a ways. My wife was driving home from work and she saw a black Lab down in the ditch so she pulls over. There were no houses for a few miles in either direction so she wanted to get the dog safely home. She gets out of the car calling to the dog, and as she is opening the hatch on the wagon she noticed that there are two black Labs In the ditch. It still wasn’t registering until she saw a really big black Lab in the tree line. 😳
Luckily, mama bear wasn’t too concerned and my wife slammed the hatch shut and jumped back in her car. The little guys must have been feeding on a road kill because they never moved. She said she was only about 20 feet from the cubs. I guess that could have gone south quickly. 😬

I still laugh when I imagine her grabbing a bear cub and trying to stuff it in the back of her station wagon. 🤣
 
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I've fished all over remote Western MD and thankfully, never encountered a bear. My buddy hunts in the George Washington National Forest, he carries a .45.

I remember reading this story a few years ago, a woman mountain biker mauled by a mountain line and survived with some pretty horrific injuries.

I only have to worry about gators down here (and they avoid contact).

 

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Lifer
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When we lived in Vermont we lived out a ways. My wife was driving home from work and she saw a black Lab down in the ditch so she pulls over. There were no houses for a few miles in either direction so she wanted to get the dog safely home. She gets out of the car calling to the dog, and as she is opening the hatch on the wagon she noticed that there are two black Labs In the ditch. It still wasn’t registering until she saw a really big black Lab in the tree line. 😳
Luckily, mama bear wasn’t too concerned and my wife slammed the hatch shut and jumped back in her car. The little guys must have been feeding on a road kill because they never moved. She said she was only about 20 feet from the cubs. I guess that could have gone south quickly. 😬

I still laugh when I imagine her grabbing a bear cub and trying to stuff it in the back of her station wagon. 🤣
Luckily it was a black bear. :)
If that happened with Brown bears, your wife might have been in trouble.
Brown sows are a lot more attacky when it comes to cubs. Brown mamas have to worry about male brown bears, black male bears, wolverines, wolves, and humans, all of which will not hesitate to kill her cubs. There were areas in South East Alaska where over 90% of the brown cubs were killed by brown males. These are bears that live on islands. The cubs cannot swim between islands to get away from the brown males.
The point is, there isnt anything more dangerous than a mama brown bear during cub season......except maybe a mama moose. Ive been chased into trees several times from mama moose. :(
 

Briarcutter

Lifer
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Luckily it was a black bear. :)
If that happened with Brown bears, your wife might have been in trouble.
Brown sows are a lot more attacky when it comes to cubs. Brown mamas have to worry about male brown bears, black male bears, wolverines, wolves, and humans, all of which will not hesitate to kill her cubs. There were areas in South East Alaska where over 90% of the brown cubs were killed by brown males. These are bears that live on islands. The cubs cannot swim between islands to get away from the brown males.
The point is, there isnt anything more dangerous than a mama brown bear during cub season......except maybe a mama moose. Ive been chased into trees several times from mama moose. :(
So in your experience would a bear be scared off by gun shots? Lets say one is attacking or about to attack. Of course the best it to actually hit the bear but if the situation was where you couldn't make a hit ,maybe because of the attack it self or other reasons, would a gun shot scare them away or at that point are they so focused on a kill the sound wouldn't phase them?
 

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Lifer
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Never run from a cougar, running away stimulates their chase response! You'll see this response even in house cats. That's why trail running can be dangerous.
Smaller bobcats will never bother you unless they're rabid. The only attacks by bobcats I know of are when they thought the person was something else, like someone in full camo with a turkey call. And when they find out it's a human, they flee.
We've had a small number of coyote attacks on children in Portland. No cougar attacks, though we do have them in a large park near us (they are photographed at night on security cameras by the park).
Ammoland.com did an interesting series of articles on bear attacks and what was effective defense:
One of the most dangerous things reported and suggested by news journalists is bear spray is better than firearms. Most reports dont even suggest firearms.
In my experience, which is not extensive, but I did conduct 19 necropsies on bears who attacked humans which ended in death in coastal Alaska. And I spent several years living in, and working in remote Alaska. I know a LOT of native Alaskans, hunting guides, and residents in rural Alaska.
Here is the thing about bear spray. It CAN be effective against nosey bears. But in my experience, its bears 11, humans 0 when it comes to attacking brown bears. I inspected 11 brown bears which were covered in bear spray, and every one of them ended up killing the sprayer. Firearms are MUCH more effective. Ive talked to many people who successfully defended themselves from attacking brown bears with firearms. Even one guy who killed a 900 pound bear with ONE hollow point 9mm round....that is like winning the lottery.
Bear spray works good on nosey park bears. But spray doesn't even slow down an angry bush bear.
I have a picture somewhere of a can of bear spray that was chewed up by a bear, its very ironic. :)
Ive seen people get killed because of bear spray too. People who had a capable firearm on them, but CHOSE to use spray instead.
You'll never catch me in bear country without my Glock 20 at least.
When camping or working in bear country, I have The glock 20 and a 12 gauge shotgun at minimum. I'll usually have a hunting rifle too.
 

Sig

Lifer
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So in your experience would a bear be scared off by gun shots? Lets say one is attacking or about to attack. Of course the best it to actually hit the bear but if the situation was where you couldn't make a hit ,maybe because of the attack it self or other reasons, would a gun shot scare them away or at that point are they so focused on a kill the sound wouldn't phase them?
That depends on the particular bear. Gun shots can definitely scare away a nosey bear. But an angry bear who is already in full attack mode, is very difficult to stop.
In my work ive talked to a lot of people who have used firearms in self defense. Many of them vividly remember NOT hearing their own gun shots. Many hunters will say the same thing. We generally wear ear protection when practice shooting. If you fire a shotgun on the range without ear pro, it rattles your brain, and can hurt your ears. But almost nobody wears ear pro while hunting. Ask any hunter if the gun shot on that big buck hurt their ears, or rattled their brain. The vast majority will say they dont even remember hearing the gunshot.
Adrenaline is a useful chemical.
 

SmokingInTheWind

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Luckily it was a black bear. :)
If that happened with Brown bears, your wife might have been in trouble.
Brown sows are a lot more attacky when it comes to cubs. Brown mamas have to worry about male brown bears, black male bears, wolverines, wolves, and humans, all of which will not hesitate to kill her cubs. There were areas in South East Alaska where over 90% of the brown cubs were killed by brown males. These are bears that live on islands. The cubs cannot swim between islands to get away from the brown males.
The point is, there isnt anything more dangerous than a mama brown bear during cub season......except maybe a mama moose. Ive been chased into trees several times from mama moose. :(

Looking back 25 years it is now just a humorous story. At the time it was upsetting, imagining my wife approaching the cubs and being mauled by the sow bear. I told my wife she needed to wear her darned glasses.
 
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