Help With Peterson Sherlock Holmes Hallmarks

[Dshift]

I need to date a bunch of Sherlocks and none of them have the date hallmark... I can't find any info on that, but all of them don't have the model name stamped under the "Sherlock Homes"

 

[bayareabriar]

I’m not sure what the official series is, but this was released about a year before the others. 1986ish? I believe 2 pipes were released before the Original Series.
They released the Original Shape (Calabash) and the other one (can’t remember the shape but someone will chime in). Or maybe it was just the one pipe and that’s why I’m drawing a blank.

To my knowledge it was just those pre-1987 shapes that would have had that hallmark in the Holmes series.

Then in 87? They released them with the actual year on them.

As far as that particular hallmark goes, I believe it’s post 1976ish and includes several years of production.

The first set/series didn’t have the names of the pipes on them.

 

[bayareabriar]

Yeah, 1976 to present

 

[Dshift]

I’m not sure what the official series is, but this was released about a year before the others. 1986ish? I believe 2 pipes were released before the Original Series.
They released the Original Shape (Calabash) and the other one (can’t remember the shape but someone will chime in). Or maybe it was just the one pipe and that’s why I’m drawing a blank.

To my knowledge it was just those pre-1987 shapes that would have had that hallmark in the Holmes series.

Then in 87? They released them with the actual year on them.

As far as that particular hallmark goes, I believe it’s post 1976ish and includes several years of production.

The first set/series didn’t have the names of the pipes on them.

So far there are 2x professors, one the original and one Watson with these hallmarks. Do you remember where have you read about these pre releases?

 

[ssjones]

So far there are 2x professors, one the original and one Watson with these hallmarks. Do you remember where have you read about these pre releases?

Mark Irwin's Peterson Pipe Notes blog would be a good place to find all Peterson info.

 

[Dshift]

Mark Irwin's Peterson Pipe Notes blog would be a good place to find all Peterson info.

I know I tried without success. I almost never ask a question here without doing any research on my own first

 

[bayareabriar]

So far there are 2x professors, one the original and one Watson with these hallmarks. Do you remember where have you read about these pre releases?

@RustiePyles CPG is the one who educated me about a year ago.

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

@Dshift,
Petersons with silver bands and no hallmarks is unfortunately a more common occurrence than you would think and it stems from a few different reasons.

1. The British government does not require assay marks or purity marks on any silver that is made for export. If your pipes were made for export to Europe, they don’t have to have assay marks but it doesn’t mean they won’t.

2. The relationship between the Irish and the British has not always been a friendly one. There have been many periods throughout the 132 years of Peterson having their own assay stamps that they have not been overly interested in adhering to the rules set forth by the British government. Namely “The Troubles”.

3. Peterson even at the best of times was to say the least, inconsistent when it came to stamps and markings.

While the SH series was “introduced” and released in 1987, many of the pipes in the first run were actually manufactured in 86 and some even utilized bands that had been hallmarked as early as 85. Peterson doesn’t release a line without having existing inventory to supply the release. I think the best you can do is assume your pipes are part of the first run of SH pipes and assume they were made somewhere between 1986-89.

 

[Dshift]

@Dshift,
Petersons with silver bands and no hallmarks is unfortunately a more common occurrence than you would think and it stems from a few different reasons.

1. The British government does not require assay marks or purity marks on any silver that is made for export. If your pipes were made for export to Europe, they don’t have to have assay marks but it doesn’t mean they won’t.

2. The relationship between the Irish and the British has not always been a friendly one. There have been many periods throughout the 132 years of Peterson having their own assay stamps that they have not been overly interested in adhering to the rules set forth by the British government. Namely “The Troubles”.

3. Peterson even at the best of times was to say the least, inconsistent when it came to stamps and markings.

While the SH series was “introduced” and released in 1987, many of the pipes in the first run were actually manufactured in 86 and some even utilized bands that had been hallmarked as early as 85. Peterson doesn’t release a line without having existing inventory to supply the release. I think the best you can do is assume your pipes are part of the first run of SH pipes and assume they were made somewhere between 1986-89.

Thank you so much for the this latest lesson.

 

[craig61a]

@Dshift,

2. The relationship between the Irish and the British has not always been a friendly one. There have been many periods throughout the 132 years of Peterson having their own assay stamps that they have not been overly interested in adhering to the rules set forth by the British government. Namely “The Troubles”.

Petersons silver was hallmarked from 1969 forward; Nothing to do with the “Troubles”…

 

[Dshift]

Petersons silver was hallmarked from 1969 forward; Nothing to do with the “Troubles”…

What about the period before 1939?

 

[Dshift]

@Dshift,
Petersons with silver bands and no hallmarks is unfortunately a more common occurrence than you would think and it stems from a few different reasons.

1. The British government does not require assay marks or purity marks on any silver that is made for export. If your pipes were made for export to Europe, they don’t have to have assay marks but it doesn’t mean they won’t.

2. The relationship between the Irish and the British has not always been a friendly one. There have been many periods throughout the 132 years of Peterson having their own assay stamps that they have not been overly interested in adhering to the rules set forth by the British government. Namely “The Troubles”.

3. Peterson even at the best of times was to say the least, inconsistent when it came to stamps and markings.

While the SH series was “introduced” and released in 1987, many of the pipes in the first run were actually manufactured in 86 and some even utilized bands that had been hallmarked as early as 85. Peterson doesn’t release a line without having existing inventory to supply the release. I think the best you can do is assume your pipes are part of the first run of SH pipes and assume they were made somewhere between 1986-89.

I just got a definitive answer from Mark about these hallmarks. They were only used in 2000, he didn't specify if that was only for SH pipes so it's safe to assume that the scales Hallmark means 2000 on any pipe. Now if only we could update pipehil.eu....

 

[bayareabriar]

I just got a definitive answer from Mark about these hallmarks. They were only used in 2000, he didn't specify if that was only for SH pipes so it's safe to assume that the scales Hallmark means 2000 on any pipe. Now if only we could update pipehil.eu....

This is wrong information. Not definitive. It literally is anything after 1976 and your pipe in particular is more than likely from 1986/1987.

 

[bayareabriar]

This is wrong information. Not definitive.

This is wrong information. Not definitive. It literally is anything after 1976 and your pipe in particular is more than likely from 1986/1987.

Not more than likely, it is definitely from 1985,1986,or 1987.