Hearts go out to Maui and the Big Island

[PipeIT]

As of yesterday the death toll has reached 106, and according to the news, only 27-32% of the area has been surveyed.

Oh gosh, I can’t imagine when they are done, how many more.

Lahaina wildfire death toll rises to 106 | Maui Now

The Lahaina wildfire, that decimated the old Hawaiian fishing village week ago, has reached a death toll of 106. As of this afternoon, 27-32% of the impacted area has been surveyed and completed, according to estimates from Governor Josh Green and Maui police.

mauinow.com

 

[warren]

And there will be the eternally missing, some by choice and, others simple not enough remained to be identified as parts of humans. The true cost in human loss will never be, sadly, fully determined.

 

[PipeIT]

The situation is only becoming more grim, sad to say, as time moves forward..,

 

[AJL67]

The more information that comes out the more it looks like Hawaiian Electric completely effed all of this up.

 

[olkofri]

The more info that transpires, the more it looks deliberate.

 

[PipeIT]

I’m not sure about being deliberate...

We all know in life there are Pros & Cons in every place of the world.

While incompetence can be found all across the world, I can tell you for a fact, from living out here since 1991, the level of incompetence out here, is some of the worst I’ve ever experienced.

Unless you’ve lived here as long as I have, then you’ll never understand this extreme lack of incompetence Hawaii has.

There are certainly people out here who have a head on their shoulders, but when it comes to professionalism, competence and common sense, unfortunately for the vast majority it’s a serious problem out here.

So, the reason, the world is now seeing this tragedy, is because of this lack of professionalism, competence and common sense, so prevalent in Hawaii.

 

[fireground_piper]

So, the reason, the world is now seeing this tragedy, is because of this lack of professionalism, competence and common sense, so prevalent in Hawaii.

Which is interesting considering the island houses some of the wealthiest and most connected people in the country.

 

[PipeIT]

Which is interesting considering the island houses some of the wealthiest and most connected people in the country.

That’s another side story in and of itself in Hawaii. So many that are related, same blood lines, friends, etc., because of these connections, it’s how you see the government is formed out here, and to many issues exist because of this Ohana Hawaiian Lifestyle.

As they say; It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.

P.S. Let’s all not go to far off topic here, and get this closed. I just want to report new news as it happens, to keep the forum updated.

 

[FurCoat]

The more info that transpires, the more it looks deliberate.

Yup

 

[warren]

There's plenty of time ahead to investigate the fire causes. There'll be plenty of blame assessed. So, let's not prematurely take sides, cast blame and such based entirely on the various media. Start another thread for that if you must but, let's not derail this thread. No one at this time is particularly interested in the suppositions and/or the wild ramblings of various theories and early guesses. Come on! Take it to another thread! Please. This one is doing a real service.

 

[PipeIT]

Here is some of the lack of professionalism and incompetence I was talking about earlier clearly shown, even by the words of Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya, as to why he didn’t sound the sirens.

“The public is trained to seek higher ground in the event that the sirens are sounded," Andaya said, adding that the sirens are primarily used to warn of tsunamis, which is why "almost all of them are found on the coast line."

Maui official defends his decision not to activate sirens amid wildfires: "I do not" regret it

Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya has made his first public comments since the deadly wildfires ignited last week.

www.cbsnews.com

As I mentioned before, I’ve been here since 1991, which makes 32 years. I’m not trained in anything, neither is anyone else, clearly this person doesn’t understand the expression;

“Sound the Alarm”

Also, everyone living in Hawaii knows we have earthquakes and hurricanes, and yes, wild fires are also a regular occurrence.

So rhetorically speaking, Hawaii, doesn’t believe that for any emergency, we don’t; “Sound the Alarm”!

P.S. He resigned, he should be sent to jail!

 

[brian64]

In addition to the lack of warning, it appears some significant number of deaths were caused by barricades blocking the escape of many people...boggles the mind.

In deadly Maui fires, many had no warning and no way out. Those who dodged a barricade survived

As flames tore through a West Maui neighborhood, fleeing residents headed for the only paved road out of town in a dash for safety.

apnews.com

 

[PipeIT]

I read other information online, not just the article you posted. There were areas from electrical trucks that were blocking the road because of downed lines, that weren’t safe to travel, but some of these areas people still drove around.

I also read about the police barricades that were in place in areas that were supposedly not safe or passable.

All I know at this point in time, is someone in Lahaina at the time, that saw a barricade, or barricades, stating that it wasn’t an area, or areas you could pass through.

So from what I gather at this moment, if you tried to pass through the barricades, it seems like was a dangerous risk, I still don’t know all the facts/details.

 

[PipeIT]

One thing I do know that is factual, Maui County is suing Hawaiian Electrical...

Wow, I wonder how this is going to turn out...

https://mauinow.com/2023/08/24/maui...ompany-for-civil-damages-caused-by-wildfires/

 

[PipeIT]

Here’s also Local News Updates... There’s also information here, that reads like there are still fires burning around Maui.

Maui wildfire disaster updates for Aug. 24: underwater search, temporary school sites announced | Maui Now - https://mauinow.com/2023/08/24/maui-wildfire-disaster-updates-for-aug-24-underwater-search-temporary-school-sites-announced/

 

[warren]

Thanks for the above, interesting and illuminating.

He resigned, he should be sent to jail!

Perhaps those who hired him should be held responsibility. Hawaii politics, unless they've changed recently, are very much oriented towards patronage and not abilities or qualifications. Almost "Chicago" style, very closed and self-serving. At least it was that way back in the 60's and 70's.

 

[warren]

PipeIT, I appreciate yout updates. The national media appears to have moved on. Many thanks!

 

[AJL67]

Here is some of the lack of professionalism and incompetence I was talking about earlier clearly shown, even by the words of Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya, as to why he didn’t sound the sirens.

“The public is trained to seek higher ground in the event that the sirens are sounded," Andaya said, adding that the sirens are primarily used to warn of tsunamis, which is why "almost all of them are found on the coast line."

Maui official defends his decision not to activate sirens amid wildfires: "I do not" regret it

Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya has made his first public comments since the deadly wildfires ignited last week.

www.cbsnews.com

As I mentioned before, I’ve been here since 1991, which makes 32 years. I’m not trained in anything, neither is anyone else, clearly this person doesn’t understand the expression;

“Sound the Alarm”

Also, everyone living in Hawaii knows we have earthquakes and hurricanes, and yes, wild fires are also a regular occurrence.

So rhetorically speaking, Hawaii, doesn’t believe that for any emergency, we don’t; “Sound the Alarm”!

P.S. He resigned, he should be sent to jail!

I saw him say this and i couldn't help but think how full of it he was, oh yes people will run through the fire for high ground, not away from the fire. The other was the water worshiper, I'm pretty sure that guy was high during his press conference "dude the water is precious .." wtf