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sparroa

Lifer
Dec 8, 2010
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Honestly, I am more worried about the utter garbage I have eaten over the years...
I think that pipe smoking has its negative effects, and I think that drinking has its negative effects, but if one practises moderation then you will probably have the best chance of balancing enjoyment with good health.
The truth is that none of us are making it out of here alive - if we exercise a bit of caution, then perhaps we won't have to check out early, either... It's all a matter of good sense. If you smoke 10 bowls a day, then you might be better served by 5. If you smoke 2, then see how 1 bowl treats you. In the end, you'll appreciate it more and it'll cost you less... I wouldn't advocate anyone quitting unless they saw no other route to good health.
Cheers. I'm going to have another glass of cognac before I drift off to sleep!

 

instymp

Lifer
Jul 30, 2012
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I don't know which is worse, so I won't quit either so there won't be the chance of quiting the one thats better for me. I want to die healthy.

 

treebarksap

Lurker
Jan 7, 2013
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Why is the fixation of death seeming to become more frequent in the cultures?

Maybe your girlfriend needs a good stiff drink to settle the nerves :)

Billions have done it before, and many more are sure to go after. The whole thing can be a whirlwind hurl a ride if you want it to be, or it can be as sober and severe as a convent on a mountain. I'm leaning more toward the ride myself, but with enough moderation to not fall off the rails and become dependant on quarters from benevolent passerby. Not that there's anything wrong with that. The wisest man I ever met was a junkie, which says something about being a junkie, or at least the perception of junkies. Turned out she was a woman. Get to know your local junkie. That should be on a pin. Soon, you'll have lots of people, glistening from the treadmill coming to talk to you while you try and smoke your pipe in peace in the park. Pipe smokers are junkies too, aren't they?

I've drank, smoked, and ingested myself into so many different dimensions that I probably deserve to die, but (I'll now have a heart attack just for saying it) my health is good and I get to romp around in jungles, on mountains, and into the wailing ocean, all with a deftly packed and lit pipe I should add. Mind you, it's certainly not every day, as that would be habit forming. People like Hunter Thompson have gotten freaky and unleashed the shackles, with interesting effect and a life seemingly well lived, so looking to their beacons that still shine bright, maybe it's best to choose your own path and let all of the research papers, laws, and finger waggers be damned with their boredom!

As long as you don't cause too much harm to too many people, I say roll your joint, drink your drink, eat the mushroom or smoke your pipe. A lot of healthier people have done a lot worse to this world. There's a lot of people who will look at you sideways because you've chosen to take a trip to a different dimension, drank some whisky when the night was right, or even smoked your pipe when the feeling pulled you, but my impression is that they're just annoyed that you are doing whatever the hell it is you feel like doing while they're busy trying to be good. It's the ones who say nothing, or take the ride with you that I like to share my doobie or pipe with.

Spinning around on a rock, in outer space, at about 220 kilometers per second, I have a hard time justifying telling someone else who was born into this freaky spontaneous existence what to do. When someone points a finger at me and says it's their way, I try to imagine how fast 220 kilometres per second actually is and my eyes glaze over until they're done. Or if you're hip, you could put on some wayfarer's like Bob Dylan and go to sleep whenever things get too dull.

Come to think of it, I think a strong case could be made for those who do what they want to do. What would a world be like without Dylan, Thompson, Dali, Hemmingway, and a list too long to name?

Just a thought. Try thinking about how fast you're hurtling through space the next time she questions your health. If you're in the right state of mind, you'll hit the deck and hang on to the grass for dear life!

 

locopony

Part of the Furniture Now
Jun 7, 2011
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The 12 cognitive biases that prevent you from being rational
George Dvorsky
The human brain is capable of 1016 processes per second, which makes it far more powerful than any computer currently in existence. But that doesn't mean our brains don't have major limitations. The lowly calculator can do math thousands of times better than we can, and our memories are often less than useless — plus, we're subject to cognitive biases, those annoying glitches in our thinking that cause us to make questionable decisions and reach erroneous conclusions. Here are a dozen of the most common and pernicious cognitive biases that you need to know about.
Before we start, it's important to distinguish between cognitive biases and logical fallacies. A logical fallacy is an error in logical argumentation (e.g. ad hominem attacks, slippery slopes, circular arguments, appeal to force, etc.). A cognitive bias, on the other hand, is a genuine deficiency or limitation in our thinking — a flaw in judgment that arises from errors of memory, social attribution, and miscalculations (such as statistical errors or a false sense of probability).
Some social psychologists believe our cognitive biases help us process information more efficiently, especially in dangerous situations. Still, they lead us to make grave mistakes. We may be prone to such errors in judgment, but at least we can be aware of them. Here are some important ones to keep in mind.
Confirmation Bias
We love to agree with people who agree with us. It's why we only visit websites that express our political opinions, and why we mostly hang around people who hold similar views and tastes. We tend to be put off by individuals, groups, and news sources that make us feel uncomfortable or insecure about our views — what the behavioral psychologist B. F. Skinner called cognitive dissonance. It's this preferential mode of behavior that leads to the confirmation bias — the often unconscious act of referencing only those perspectives that fuel our pre-existing views, while at the same time ignoring or dismissing opinions — no matter how valid — that threaten our world view. And paradoxically, the internet has only made this tendency even worse.
Ingroup Bias
Somewhat similar to the confirmation bias is the ingroup bias, a manifestation of our innate tribalistic tendencies. And strangely, much of this effect may have to do with oxytocin — the so-called "love molecule." This neurotransmitter, while helping us to forge tighter bonds with people in our ingroup, performs the exact opposite function for those on the outside — it makes us suspicious, fearful, and even disdainful of others. Ultimately, the ingroup bias causes us to overestimate the abilities and value of our immediate group at the expense of people we don't really know.
Gambler's Fallacy
It's called a fallacy, but it's more a glitch in our thinking. We tend to put a tremendous amount of weight on previous events, believing that they'll somehow influence future outcomes. The classic example is coin-tossing. After flipping heads, say, five consecutive times, our inclination is to predict an increase in likelihood that the next coin toss will be tails — that the odds must certainly be in the favor of heads. But in reality, the odds are still 50/50. As statisticians say, the outcomes in different tosses are statistically independent and the probability of any outcome is still 50%.
Relatedly, there's also the positive expectation bias — which often fuels gambling addictions. It's the sense that our luck has to eventually change and that good fortune is on the way. It also contribues to the "hot hand" misconception. Similarly, it's the same feeling we get when we start a new relationship that leads us to believe it will be better than the last one.
Post-Purchase Rationalization
Remember that time you bought something totally unnecessary, faulty, or overly expense, and then you rationalized the purchase to such an extent that you convinced yourself it was a great idea all along? Yeah, that's post-purchase rationalization in action — a kind of built-in mechanism that makes us feel better after we make crappy decisions, especially at the cash register. Also known as Buyer's Stockholm Syndrome, it's a way of subconsciously justifying our purchases — especially expensive ones. Social psychologists say it stems from the principle of commitment, our psychological desire to stay consistent and avoid a state of cognitive dissonance.
Neglecting Probability
Very few of us have a problem getting into a car and going for a drive, but many of us experience great trepidation about stepping inside an airplane and flying at 35,000 feet. Flying, quite obviously, is a wholly unnatural and seemingly hazardous activity. Yet virtually all of us know and acknowledge the fact that the probability of dying in an auto accident is significantly greater than getting killed in a plane crash — but our brains won't release us from this crystal clear logic (statistically, we have a 1 in 84 chance of dying in a vehicular accident, as compared to a 1 in 5,000 chance of dying in an plane crash [other sources indicate odds as high as 1 in 20,000]). It's the same phenomenon that makes us worry about getting killed in an act of terrorism as opposed to something far more probable, like falling down the stairs or accidental poisoning.
This is what the social psychologist Cass Sunstein calls probability neglect — our inability to properly grasp a proper sense of peril and risk — which often leads us to overstate the risks of relatively harmless activities, while forcing us to overrate more dangerous ones.
Observational Selection Bias
This is that effect of suddenly noticing things we didn't notice that much before — but we wrongly assume that the frequency has increased. A perfect example is what happens after we buy a new car and we inexplicably start to see the same car virtually everywhere. A similar effect happens to pregnant women who suddenly notice a lot of other pregnant women around them. Or it could be a unique number or song. It's not that these things are appearing more frequently, it's that we've (for whatever reason) selected the item in our mind, and in turn, are noticing it more often. Trouble is, most people don't recognize this as a selectional bias, and actually believe these items or events are happening with increased frequency — which can be a very disconcerting feeling. It's also a cognitive bias that contributes to the feeling that the appearance of certain things or events couldn't possibly be a coincidence (even though it is).
Status-Quo Bias
We humans tend to be apprehensive of change, which often leads us to make choices that guarantee that things remain the same, or change as little as possible. Needless to say, this has ramifications in everything from politics to economics. We like to stick to our routines, political parties, and our favorite meals at restaurants. Part of the perniciousness of this bias is the unwarranted assumption that another choice will be inferior or make things worse. The status-quo bias can be summed with the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" — an adage that fuels our conservative tendencies. And in fact, some commentators say this is why the U.S. hasn't been able to enact universal health care, despite the fact that most individuals support the idea of reform.
Negativity Bias
People tend to pay more attention to bad news — and it's not just because we're morbid. Social scientists theorize that it's on account of our selective attention and that, given the choice, we perceive negative news as being more important or profound. We also tend to give more credibility to bad news, perhaps because we're suspicious (or bored) of proclamations to the contrary. More evolutionarily, heeding bad news may be more adaptive than ignoring good news (e.g. "saber tooth tigers suck" vs. "this berry tastes good"). Today, we run the risk of dwelling on negativity at the expense of genuinely good news. Steven Pinker, in his book The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined, argues that crime, violence, war, and other injustices are steadily declining, yet most people would argue that things are getting worse — what is a perfect example of the negativity bias at work.
Bandwagon Effect
Though we're often unconscious of it, we love to go with the flow of the crowd. When the masses start to pick a winner or a favorite, that's when our individualized brains start to shut down and enter into a kind of "groupthink" or hivemind mentality. But it doesn't have to be a large crowd or the whims of an entire nation; it can include small groups, like a family or even a small group of office co-workers. The bandwagon effect is what often causes behaviors, social norms, and memes to propagate among groups of individuals — regardless of the evidence or motives in support. This is why opinion polls are often maligned, as they can steer the perspectives of individuals accordingly. Much of this bias has to do with our built-in desire to fit in and conform, as famously demonstrated by the Asch Conformity Experiments.
Projection Bias
As individuals trapped inside our own minds 24/7, it's often difficult for us to project outside the bounds of our own consciousness and preferences. We tend to assume that most people think just like us — though there may be no justification for it. This cognitive shortcoming often leads to a related effect known as the false consensus bias where we tend to believe that people not only think like us, but that they also agree with us. It's a bias where we overestimate how typical and normal we are, and assume that a consensus exists on matters when there may be none. Moreover, it can also create the effect where the members of a radical or fringe group assume that more people on the outside agree with them than is the case. Or the exaggerated confidence one has when predicting the winner of an election or sports match.
The Current Moment Bias
We humans have a really hard time imagining ourselves in the future and altering our behaviors and expectations accordingly. Most of us would rather experience pleasure in the current moment, while leaving the pain for later. This is a bias that is of particular concern to economists (i.e. our unwillingness to not overspend and save money) and health practitioners. Indeed, a 1998 study showed that, when making food choices for the coming week, 74% of participants chose fruit. But when the food choice was for the current day, 70% chose chocolate.
Anchoring Effect
Also known as the relativity trap, this is the tendency we have to compare and contrast only a limited set of items. It's called the anchoring effect because we tend to fixate on a value or number that in turn gets compared to everything else. The classic example is an item at the store that's on sale; we tend to see (and value) the difference in price, but not the overall price itself. This is why some restaurant menus feature very expensive entrees, while also including more (apparently) reasonably priced ones. It's also why, when given a choice, we tend to pick the middle option — not too expensive, and not too cheap.

 

pipedisciple

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 18, 2011
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Everything in moderation, George Burns smoked cigars and drank, he outlived 3 doctors that told him to quit drinking and smoking. My oldest brother has been smoking a pipe for as long as I've been alive, (59 yrs.) and he's still kicking. I no longer drink but still smoke a cigar and/or a pipe occassionally but not like I use to. Use use common sense to make your decision. I've seen many supposedly healthy people who never smoked or drink keel over from a heart attack. Life's short, enjoy it while you can. :puffy:

 
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