Michael, I live 60 miles south of Atlanta. I work Saturdays at the only "cigar"(very little pipe presence) shop in this area and there are no hats shops locally. Small town, small thinking around here.
Hats on Men and Caps on Pipes
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I think the lack of exposure and what little people my age (29) have had to see (hipsters and weirdos) we shun those that wear these hats because they are awkward and usually worn incorrectly. Like @sean flynn said, people of a younger age who wear these hats without having on a suit or a nice shirt and trousers do look like twats to us and it really does ruin the entire experience.
That and I'd rather fix my hair than buy an expensive hat. I like all these hats, I just don't believe I would wear one personally.
That and I'd rather fix my hair than buy an expensive hat. I like all these hats, I just don't believe I would wear one personally.
I don't think hipsters are killing fedoras. I think it's more ultra weirdos who are trying and failing hard at being dapper. I'll wear a flatcap in cooler weather, but most people wearing hats today do a pretty terrible job of it.
Tipping your cap to a female seems pretty quaint at best, and pretty sexist at worst, depending on the female. A simple 'hello' or nothing at all seems more appropriate in the 21st century.
Tipping your cap to a female seems pretty quaint at best, and pretty sexist at worst, depending on the female. A simple 'hello' or nothing at all seems more appropriate in the 21st century.
It might be that hats fell out of fashion, but I think fashion follows function. Hats fell out of fashion about the same time white collar workers outnumbered blue...when there were more inside workers than outside workers or when there were more office workers than guys out on the plant floor. Plus white collar work often paid more than outside work, and that influences fashion, too.
So, while I am a hat guy, I only wear one when the situation is right, like when I need to keep the sun out of my eyes or when there's a fiddle in the band.
So, while I am a hat guy, I only wear one when the situation is right, like when I need to keep the sun out of my eyes or when there's a fiddle in the band.
Escio, since almost everyone in this thread has stated that they wear hats, it seems that saying that we are all doing a terrible job of it is pissing in our corn flakes. And, since I'm the one that mentioned tipping my hat, I'll take offence your allusion to my behavior as sexist. I have never drawn a negative response from such, and it always draws a smile if not a pleasant conversation. I would not want to ever visit your world, everyone seems very unpleasant.
I'm not sure why some people feel the need to be insulting without provocation. I'll leave it at that, but I felt it needed pointing out.
Happy smokes to you :
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I'm not sure why some people feel the need to be insulting without provocation. I'll leave it at that, but I felt it needed pointing out.
Happy smokes to you :
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So polite behavior is no longer in style. I've little interest in current style and fads, I strive always to treat a woman like a lady whether she is or is not. I think sexism is the maltreatment of women by men and the maltreatment of men by women. Treating a person with courtesy is hardly maltreatment even if it is thought to be so by the PC crowd.
Ill-mannered people are boorish at best and inconsiderate at the worst. Women who do not graciously accept a proffered seat, or at least refuse without a thank-you, are boorish. A man unwilling to acknowledge a woman with a tip of the hat and a polite greeting are just as boorish in their behavior. I'm more likely to excuse a woman from acknowledging a tip of the hat with a smile or nod, as such an action is most likely very unexpected and, quite possibly, startling as they only meet with such action infrequently.
Sorry, but proper deference and good behavior has never gone out of style. It's just that boorish and ill-mannered behavior is the expected behavior of cretins and the world is overly populated such.
Tipping my hat is no different than asking a person if they mind if I smoke in their presence. Such was proper behavior years ago (many years before tobacco use became the generally disdained practice that it is today) and such is proper behavior today. I would ask an invited guest that question even in my own home. Others may see such behavior as quaint, but it is still as mannerly as is tipping the hat or not demeaning others for their style of dress.
I may be old, I may be a curmudgeon, but consideration of the comfort of others is still correct behavior.
I see other responses as I typed this. Hats for men, I believe, went out of style when Kennedy disdained to wear one at his inauguration. He changed the day's style for many men as much as his wife did for women.
Also, my hat protects me, and the pipe, from rain and snow as well as me from sun damage. The old wide brimmed hat has many uses as I pointed out earlier. It's a useful tool to many, as well as a personal style statement to others.
Ill-mannered people are boorish at best and inconsiderate at the worst. Women who do not graciously accept a proffered seat, or at least refuse without a thank-you, are boorish. A man unwilling to acknowledge a woman with a tip of the hat and a polite greeting are just as boorish in their behavior. I'm more likely to excuse a woman from acknowledging a tip of the hat with a smile or nod, as such an action is most likely very unexpected and, quite possibly, startling as they only meet with such action infrequently.
Sorry, but proper deference and good behavior has never gone out of style. It's just that boorish and ill-mannered behavior is the expected behavior of cretins and the world is overly populated such.
Tipping my hat is no different than asking a person if they mind if I smoke in their presence. Such was proper behavior years ago (many years before tobacco use became the generally disdained practice that it is today) and such is proper behavior today. I would ask an invited guest that question even in my own home. Others may see such behavior as quaint, but it is still as mannerly as is tipping the hat or not demeaning others for their style of dress.
I may be old, I may be a curmudgeon, but consideration of the comfort of others is still correct behavior.
I see other responses as I typed this. Hats for men, I believe, went out of style when Kennedy disdained to wear one at his inauguration. He changed the day's style for many men as much as his wife did for women.
Also, my hat protects me, and the pipe, from rain and snow as well as me from sun damage. The old wide brimmed hat has many uses as I pointed out earlier. It's a useful tool to many, as well as a personal style statement to others.
Hat tipping is sexist? Really? If that's the 21st century take on it, then the 21st century takers can go hang themselves.
I occasionally tip my hat, to both men and women, mostly people whom I know either personally or professionally, or the occasional stranger who nods at or compliments my chapeau. It's a form of acknowledgement and respect, period, and it generally engenders a smile or a salute of a different sort in return.
Those who find it sexist would profit by some years on the couch, working out their anger and sense of personal inadequacy.
Of course, I have no opinions in the matter. None at all.
I occasionally tip my hat, to both men and women, mostly people whom I know either personally or professionally, or the occasional stranger who nods at or compliments my chapeau. It's a form of acknowledgement and respect, period, and it generally engenders a smile or a salute of a different sort in return.
Those who find it sexist would profit by some years on the couch, working out their anger and sense of personal inadequacy.
Of course, I have no opinions in the matter. None at all.
Respect never goes out of style, People do, you wear one when you go to a Furneal, you take it off inside, you never, never wear one at the table. When they play the National Anthem you place it over your heart. For years I had a Forth worth Stocksman Stetson when I wore my suit. You never touch another mans hat, knocked the crap out of classmate who tried to take it off at a class reunion , that's a No No. Driving cattle in the marsh for the annual roundup it's a mosquito chaser awayer, grew up with hats and feel naked without one even if it's the maligned baseball cap. I guess from this you can tell I love hats. No Man Should Be Without One.
I misspoke. I'm guessing that the majority of hat wearers here didn't just go out to Hot Topic and buy the first fedora that fit to go along with their black video game teeshirt and ill-fitting trenchcoat. I'm also guessing that the majority of people here are actually approaching dapper when they wear a hat, as opposed to jumping on some steampunk bandwagon from the eyebrows up. I should've also mentioned that I live near a college campus where I see these these done pretty much at their worst all the time.
Also, with regard to tipping the cap, I guess I didn't make clear that I meant that it could be taken as sexist, depending on the female. Their response would be: why tip your cap to a female and not to a male? If it's simply how you're saying hello, why have a gendered response? Sablebrush's response seems perfectly normal to me.
And as far as respect goes: I get up for basically anyone older than me, or also for young children, when on a bus or train. I hold the door for everyone, regardless of gender. I think that gender pretty much need not enter into the equation for either of those things.
I apologize for my incomplete response that caused offense. None was intended, and if I had been more careful in how I wrote it out, I don't think it would've caused any offense.
No harm done and the thread was enlivened.
I never worry what others may think, that filter wore out years ago. I behave as I was taught and I'm an old dog. No new tricks are being entertained. I am just what I am and never feel that I have to live up to the expectations or demands of others.
I doubt my cowboy hat will ever be referred to as dapper but the old wolf gets a lot of compliments in the dead of winter. I'm referring to my wolf skin hat. Although I've had a compliment of two when I'm not wearing it.
I never worry what others may think, that filter wore out years ago. I behave as I was taught and I'm an old dog. No new tricks are being entertained. I am just what I am and never feel that I have to live up to the expectations or demands of others.
I doubt my cowboy hat will ever be referred to as dapper but the old wolf gets a lot of compliments in the dead of winter. I'm referring to my wolf skin hat. Although I've had a compliment of two when I'm not wearing it.
Eh, I'm not dapper, I just sunburn easily, ha ha. But, I do like nice shoes, nice hats, nice things. I play a part, being a jeweler in a town where everyone is an artist or gallery owner. No one wants to buys stones from a guy wearing sandels and a rock Tshirt.
Thanks for the clarification. I do tip my hat to everyone, just as all the cars wave and everyone says hello on the street. It's just the way. I said ladies, because well, the guys I pass just don't spring to recollection, ha ha. And, seems like I had heard somewhere that ladies don't like being called ladies, because it assumes some snootiness, but I'm at the age where I just don't think my jargon is going to change to meet other people's expectations. All female are ladies in my mind, even my blue jean wearing daughters when they have pink hair and a pistol on the range.
I was assuming you were holding me to some sort of New York City, "keep your eyes to yourself" and "don't talk to strangers" sort of mentality.
Wear what you want. Life's too short to live up to the expectation of others. And, be good to people. Happy smokes ::
Thanks for the clarification. I do tip my hat to everyone, just as all the cars wave and everyone says hello on the street. It's just the way. I said ladies, because well, the guys I pass just don't spring to recollection, ha ha. And, seems like I had heard somewhere that ladies don't like being called ladies, because it assumes some snootiness, but I'm at the age where I just don't think my jargon is going to change to meet other people's expectations. All female are ladies in my mind, even my blue jean wearing daughters when they have pink hair and a pistol on the range.
I was assuming you were holding me to some sort of New York City, "keep your eyes to yourself" and "don't talk to strangers" sort of mentality.
Wear what you want. Life's too short to live up to the expectation of others. And, be good to people. Happy smokes :
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Ok fine, I finally bought the grown up hat I've had my eye on. This website is hell on my credit card.
Very good Lincoln.
As mentioned, two good online sources if you live in a town without good hat shops (with links this time):
David Morgan
Noggin Tops
As mentioned, two good online sources if you live in a town without good hat shops (with links this time):
David Morgan
Noggin Tops
Another hat etiquette rule is, besides taking it off while under cover, the shoes should match...black hat= black shoes. I'm not meaning a baseball cap or super casual type, but a nice hat... it is in the rule book. I wear a black Saxon Royal Stetson. I never wear it with anything but black shoes. Could be just me
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