As I've never had a Peterson QC issue of any significance, the issue is unknown to me. Though, think Anthony was right about how, as they sell scads of them, an occasional lemon will come forth. I only have about 14 of them, which is nearly 1/3 of my total collection of pipes. Probably had more QC issues with Savs and Stanwells, though my sample size for them is pretty limited. Likewise, have a bigger sample size of Nordings and no QC issues with them.
Has Peterson Quality Really Declined?
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Proof once again bigbee that the quality of a pipe is in the eye of the beholder. I see people reject pipes for the slightest of reasons without even trying them. There seems to be two camps of pipe smokers, those that buy them as works of art they happen to be able to smoke (if they dare), and those who buy them to work at smoking.
You either want to adore it up on the mantle or beat it on the heal of your shoe to ready it for the next bowl. I've seen people worry that the bowl was drilled slightly off center or the draft hole doesn't meet the bottom just right and I have to squint to see these things in their pictures, while others say their best smoking pipe is the one with a big crack running down the side.
Perfection of craftsmanship hasn't much to do with how the thing will smoke. So then, what really makes a good pipe?
Fingers crossed my brand new basic Peterson Aran 80S bent bulldog is on its way from vendore(smoke.co.uk) as for peterson models those what I have are their bulldogs,Rhodesians,princes and one straight billiard nro 15 of which I'm becoming to like regardless of the fact i did have repuff and polish the already dull looking stem, the bowl itself was flawless,
Trouble with last three Peterson,low end I guess,I ordered.Weird that all these had the problem. When I removed the stem from the pipe the ring at end of stem came off and fell on floor. I had to crawl around looking for them. So loose had to use crazy glue to keep them on. Plus as many folks as a drug store pipe.
I think that unless you've had a lobotomy, there is going to be some area of the pipes being offered out there, that just don't appeal to you. You can't have a favorite widget, without there being a hated widget; whatever the widget is.
Despite my own past issues with these pipes and QC, I just don't like the looks of them. But, I also don't like the looks of minivans, *girls with fat legs, or pork pie hats. However, some guys love these things. Good for them. But, to spend so much energy trying to get other guys to hate them baffles me. I've seen so many of these type threads over the years.
And, it's only Petersons that seem to draw out this much rage and passion. I can't think of any other pipe that drives men crazy that someone else thinks they are... attractive pipes. :::cough cough::: So, it should say something about Peterson that so many men love them, and so many men are disgusted that other men love them.
But hey, shouldn't we all be thankful for the guys who take all of the *ugly women off the singles list? Getting them off the market. That is one less ugly thing to get distorted and tempted by once you put on the beer goggles.
*And, my apologies to all of the fat legged, ugly women and minivans out there for comparing you to Petersons. :
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Despite my own past issues with these pipes and QC, I just don't like the looks of them. But, I also don't like the looks of minivans, *girls with fat legs, or pork pie hats. However, some guys love these things. Good for them. But, to spend so much energy trying to get other guys to hate them baffles me. I've seen so many of these type threads over the years.
And, it's only Petersons that seem to draw out this much rage and passion. I can't think of any other pipe that drives men crazy that someone else thinks they are... attractive pipes. :::cough cough::: So, it should say something about Peterson that so many men love them, and so many men are disgusted that other men love them.
But hey, shouldn't we all be thankful for the guys who take all of the *ugly women off the singles list? Getting them off the market. That is one less ugly thing to get distorted and tempted by once you put on the beer goggles.
*And, my apologies to all of the fat legged, ugly women and minivans out there for comparing you to Petersons. :
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Not to be monotonously affirmative -- I let a little churlishness seep in now and then -- but if you get a Peterson without quality control problems, I think they do break in reasonably soon, but maybe more important, they often improve over time. Their hefty design makes them durable, and if you maintain them in a regular way, they really do become old friends. Sadly, there's been enough of a QC problem, that former fans have sworn off the brand. But if you have a good Pete, hang onto it; it will likely last.
I just finished a fantastic smoke with my Peterson St. Patrick's Day 2017. Obviously the St. Patrick's Day pipes they put out every year are lower end. Mine arrived with no quality issues and smoked pretty good from day one, so breaking in hasn't been an issue with this pipe at all. I've yet to hear of any serious issues with this years St. Patrick's Day pipe at all... except Duane's (Chasingembers). His pipe was ferociously and mercilessly attacked by a two year old child.
I have a series 106 Billiard. Shannon. What a great pipe for under $100 (or at least it was at the time ~2009 or 10.) Can't speak for QC of late, but Pete seems to be following the trend (think Stanwell) and off-shoring their production. Not too many Western, craftsman-made products in mass production anymore. Sad. I suppose the Irish and Danish workers can reinvent themselves as real estate agents and app developers.
I've heard nothing of Peterson outsourcing their production. From what I understand, Peterson pipes are made at their factory in Dublin Ireland. There were, for a time, some pipes made in London.
If your pipe says "Peterson's of Dublin", it was made in Italy, Spain or Eastern Europe. If it says "Made in Ireland", it was made in Ireland years ago.
I can find nothing stating that Peterson pipes are made anywhere other than Sallynoggin, Dublin, Ireland where their factory is still housed and staffed.
And this article talks about visiting the factory last year. http://pipesandtobaccosmagazine.com/2016/07/petersons-150-year-legacy/
And this article talks about visiting the factory last year. http://pipesandtobaccosmagazine.com/2016/07/petersons-150-year-legacy/
Mso,You very correct, thats how I see this, I'm excited by this thread,moreover, based on my own experience over the years Peterons are so strudy manufactured that some slight quality improvements could be performed at home in if imperfections are present.
More on,Can't see what is the point of switching production to Spain or Italy(Poland?)so why no to switch it to Germany?,but yes, Italians are renowned for them woodcarving and furniture production,
More on,Can't see what is the point of switching production to Spain or Italy(Poland?)so why no to switch it to Germany?,but yes, Italians are renowned for them woodcarving and furniture production,
I've met Tom and Connor Palmer and they are two of the best guys you'll ever meet. Very humble and down to earth.
After reading through this thread, I examined the dozen Petersons I have easily accessible. One I bought in the early 90s. The others are from the last five or six years.
I've never had any trouble with metal work, the fit of the stem, or finish bubbling or discoloring. One, a Zulu that I bought a year or so ago, is drilled slightly left of center. I hadn't noticed that before now. The others appear dead on.
I've returned two pipes for drilling issues. One was a Savinelli bent that was drilled too high for my tastes. The other was a Rossi (by Savinelli). This one was egregiously badly drilled, way off center and the draw hole entered the bowl at a 45 degree angle.
I've never had any trouble with metal work, the fit of the stem, or finish bubbling or discoloring. One, a Zulu that I bought a year or so ago, is drilled slightly left of center. I hadn't noticed that before now. The others appear dead on.
I've returned two pipes for drilling issues. One was a Savinelli bent that was drilled too high for my tastes. The other was a Rossi (by Savinelli). This one was egregiously badly drilled, way off center and the draw hole entered the bowl at a 45 degree angle.
I will always be loyal to Peterson, but I have to admit that I was thoroughly unimpressed with the quality of an 8s Deluxe my wife bought me last fall. The stem left the factory with wavy tooling marks.
But I will say, like all of my Petes, even an atrocious B5 donegal, ugly as sin, loose stem, and a band I can remove at will, it is a fantabulous smoker
Under the circumstances, who can truly complain?
But I will say, like all of my Petes, even an atrocious B5 donegal, ugly as sin, loose stem, and a band I can remove at will, it is a fantabulous smoker
Under the circumstances, who can truly complain?
MUST READ! As anyone (1 or 2) who follows me knows, I am a super-fan of Peterson. One of these days I'll have to take a chance with a full bent with a huge chamber. Anyway, while making an order I was told a Drac 107 was available. You know these 107s are about as rare as the birth of a two-headed calf on the occasion of a blue moon. The pipe arrived--and I saw the weirdest thing ever: the pipe was stamped 107, but the stem was slender and smaller in diameter like a 106. And the area sanded down to accommodate the nomenclature moved up the front of the forward sanding so much that you could see the forward by looking straight on the forward of the Pipe. I told the sales associate (of a very reputable company, btw) she should pull the pipe and send it back to Peterson. Hell, this "107" looked like a mutant based on a 106. She said another 107 was expected later in the week; this one was a perfect 107 Drac (Does anyone know why the 107 Drac has become so rare?)
So yes, as much as I admire the Peterson line, something wrong a
So yes, as much as I admire the Peterson line, something wrong a
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