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12pups

Lifer
Feb 9, 2014
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Actually, I'm one. Snippers use automated clients to bid for them. Costs pennies to do. You buy "lots" of bid capability and use them for whatever you want, one by one.
I've been a very happy sniper for quite a few years. Originally it just meant not bidding until the last moment. But pretty much anymore, I can't see the point in that. Makes you hover over your auction.
I use Bidnapper. I put the auction number I'm interested into Bidnapper and it follows it for me. I can see from my Bidnapper page what the current bid is, and if my bid won't win it, I can shrug and let it go or change my secret bid. No one knows I'm even interested in the auction. I automatically appear within the last few seconds from out of the blue.
The goal of sniping is actually the opposite of paying more than you're willing to pay, to get it at the lowest price possible and still win, rather than by putting an exorbitant amount in and clobbering everyone -- which would probably beat all the snipers anyway, since they weren't trying to pay an exorbitant amount. I put in what I'm willing to pay and no one sees anything. I win or I don't, but it allows me to walk away and let what happens, happen. I don't have to pay attention to it.
By contrast, simply putting a large amount in eBay and letting eBay bid for you 1) jacks up the price too high as people try to "fish" for your highest bid and 2) doesn't let you lower or cancel your bid without a lot of explaining.
If another sniper has his/her eyes on the auction, too, and is lurking robotically, whoever of us had the highest amount typically will win. I say "typically," because if it's still going back and forth, it may end before all the snipers clients have gone their full amount. But I can't lose because of a slow server on my end or my shaky fat fingers. It goes flick-flick-flick back and forth by itself in the last couple of seconds. Anyone with their hand on their keyboard doesn't really have a chance. I'll get the usual eBay email telling me I won, or that I lost.
The beauty for me is, I can make one auction contingent on others. If I win one, the others disappear. And I can change bids up to the last moment if I want. Or cancel. eBay never knows unless I leave a bid active through close of auction.
If this is old news for everyone and I look like an idiot for describing it in such detail, sorry for that. I just thought, maybe someone didn't know? They might not know what we're talking about? Well, if there were anyone who didn't know, now you see what is probably happening when you lose an auction if you aren't a sniper yourself?

 

12pups

Lifer
Feb 9, 2014
1,063
2
Minnesota
Sounds unethical? I know. To deal with the guilt, I'll smoke a bad tobacco now and then for penance. :)
(PS: It wasn't me. I don't get pipes on eBay as I'm not a collector. I have what I need. I use it for car parts and computer accessories, some items of clothing... got a nice refurbished Dell laptop for my wife for only $100 in time for Christmas last year... but I haven't bid against you guys for pipes. If that Dell computer was something I stole from you, please don't hurt me?)

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Hi 12Pips,
Thanks for the info. I'd heard about the apps, but the more in depth information is very interesting. I still fail to understand what difference it actually makes, unless one is betting that all of the action takes place in the last seconds and that all pre-existing bids are just chum. Then it's just brinksmanship against the clock.
If I've bid what I think is a fair market price and lose, then whoever won, by whatever means, paid more, and I'm fine with that. Simple as that. I can do that anytime during the auction and move onto other things. What I can see being useful is the ability to make other auctions contingent, and to be set up for an auction without actually having made any commitment at all. And if a couple of overly aggressive buyers set ridiculous maximums, I can see where the software can screw them before they know what's hit them. It's just automated bidding. Seems fair.

 

ssjones

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Staff member
May 11, 2011
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Jesse, by my account sniping can be accomplished via manual or auto bids.
Yes, thanks 12pups for that info. I've always snipped manually. Having Ebay's phone app makes sniping a little more convenient. I've made my wife shake her head a few times as I watched the final auction end and see if my bid won, on the side of the road, grocery store, etc. Occasionally, I forget about an auction ending, I guess that one wasn't to be. I do love the thrill of the stalk. I only snipe with my maximum bid, so if I lose, someone wanted it more than I.
One place I do check before bidding is to see if the auction is listed at the Collectors Website. That shows how many watchers an item has and lets me know how potentially competitive an auction might be. That doesn't change my maximum bid, but I don't build up any false hope. I've found a number of interesting pieces by scanning these auctions weekly and checking what other items a seller might have. Sometimes pipes I'm looking for might not be listed correctly, but show up at this site.

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/tobacciana/overview
From 12pups Bidnapper review, his sniping tool won't show up as a watcher (I assume).

 

12pups

Lifer
Feb 9, 2014
1,063
2
Minnesota
Hi, Sable --
Yeah, it works great as long as it stays quiet. It's about not attracting attention. But when rabid bidders find it and start doing their "top THIS" routine, it doesn't matter anymore. That's when I usually cancel my bid, recycle my Bidnapper credit. No point in staying once that happens. Price + shipping is going to go way beyond what I wanted to be involved in. So... there's no real magic in it.
What I *used* to do was search for misspellings. I got a nice set of skis years ago by purposely misspelling the word different ways. I hit on a pair that weren't getting bids. Score! But I think nowadays eBay "helps" troubled spellers get their items to show in the proper search categories. Don't know if anyone can do that with pipes. Anybody tried?
Misspell Savinelli a couple ways. (Geez. Now I wonder if I spelled it right). Two v's, one l, a for an i... see what other pipe collectors might be overlooking. Don't know if that works anymore, though. ... But then, too, you have to worry about the mentality that posted an item that way. Check their rating as a seller, for sure. Get some half wit, might be in for a hassle completing the trade. Risky.

 

numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
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Good thread everyone.
By contrast, simply putting a large amount in eBay and letting eBay bid for you 1) jacks up the price too high as people try to "fish" for your highest bid and 2) doesn't let you lower or cancel your bid without a lot of explaining.
Good post 12pups. This sums it up very well.
Like many others here, sniping at first seemed "wrong" to me, but I quickly learned that the ebay system of bidding essentially demands it.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
23,051
58,901
Southern Oregon
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So with this definition, it's essentially doing what I do, which is placing a reasonable single maximum and walking away, but using an app to place this at the end with the hope that the prior inactivity will result in a lower bidding threshold at the end. BTW, I usually put in my bid toward the end of the auction as I like to keep my options open if something more interesting comes along.
And from the other parts of this conversation, people who put in way over market bids at the end aren't snipers, they're idiots. I won't argue that they're idiots, and if you look at their buying habits, a high percentage are constantly buying all kinds of crap.
But you're not snipers, either. A sniper lies in wait to take his shot. You're off on the golf course or robbing a daycare center while your app carries out your mission for you. While it's possible that there are snipers out there in eBay Land, from the preceding discussion, it's apparent that there are far more idiots and bots.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
23,051
58,901
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
voter, yes.

sniper, no.
The earth is a cube.
The sky is red.
A sniper isn't pulling the trigger.
Peck, send me a copy of that app, will you? It's been a while since I stole candy from a baby.
donkey, have the final word. I'm moving on.

 

ssjones

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Staff member
May 11, 2011
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Covington, Louisiana
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I've put a few ridiculous, high dollar last minute manual snipes to get a pipe I really wanted. I've lucked out on each occasion and won the pipe for only a few dollars over the most current bid going into the last few minutes. My recent GBD 9242 was one of those lucky wins. That shape only comes around once every two years or so on Ebay and I didn't want to risk losing it. Fortunately, no one bid until the last minute snipers, but the're bid wasn't as high as mine and they ran out of time. It is a bit of a gamble.

 

torque

Can't Leave
May 21, 2013
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3
What I *used* to do was search for misspellings.
This still works pretty well actually. Found a WDC by accident the other day, was listed as a WCC due to slightly worn nomenclature. Also looking for partial words can yield interesting results. Grime and hand grease can build up and obscure part of a stamping and the seller doesn't know pipes so they don't know the difference. I've run across quite a bit of this.

 

daimyo

Lifer
May 15, 2014
1,459
4
Snipe, don't snipe... just don't bid on that Sea Rock Wax Drip PI I'm watching! :lol:

 

daveinlax

Charter Member
May 5, 2009
2,336
3,744
WISCONSIN
What I enjoy most is sniping a pipe from some dope who's been nibbling away at the high bid at the minimum increment all week. 8O

 
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