Fraised Stummel Sharing by English Pipe Factories

[sablebrush52]

That shop was JJ Fox.

Actually it wasn't J. J. Fox, but another dealer, and what that has to do with oversupply is not clear to me.

I have seen soooo many examples of pipes that had nomenclature that is a *dead ringer* for pre-war to 1950's with the exception of a four digit shape number like 3142.

So far of the thousands of Barlings I've seen, I have yet to see one of those. Every one of those 4 digit models from 1962 has had the small Barling logo. I've been a professional visual artist for almost 50 years. For better or worse I've been well paid to look critically at everything that comes into my path for examination. I occasionally make mistakes, but generally I catch visual subtleties that elude the average layman. Very few "experts" can see the difference between one stamp and another. If they could with regard to Barling, they would have spotted the answer that was clear in the 150th Anniversary Catalog.

I could easily reinforce my position by quoting noted authority sablebrush :

Define oversupply. Given that Diversity Machine Works, in their September 1962 letter to Barling's US dealers, stated that they had over 300 dozen pipes in stock for distribution to their network

Actually not, since you failed and continue to fail, to define what constitutes an oversupply.
So here's another quote from the same document that I shared with you. And this is the last of anything that I will share with you because your interest is in stirring things up and life is simply too short to waste anymore of it on games like this.
But rather than simply write an anecdotal piece of information that I could have pulled out of my ass, I'll put up a bit of hard evidence. Note the second paragraph, then explain how it supports your made up contention of oversupply. Also, all you have done so far is make statements without supplying any kind of argument, inductive or deductive.

See, there is a difference between just making stuff up and providing useful information.

 

[sablebrush52]

When Jon Guss published his terrific article on the Barling transition and history, he pointed out that I was wrong on the date of the sale. I didn't get mad. I asked Jon if I could use his data to improve the Pipedia Barling page. I wanted that page to be as accurate as possible at that time. We've since shared information that we've gathered in our different ways. So being proven wrong isn't a problem for me.
3600 pipes seems like a lot of stock. But when one considers that it's for an entire national distributorship, it isn't all that much. One flagship NYC Dunhill dealership sold over 1600 pipes in one year in the early 1980's. The issue with Barling in the US isn't that it had too much stock. The comments I've read tend to state that it had too little, so it didn't get the kind of recognition that it could have achieved here.
I'm open to new ideas and interpretations, but I need them to be backed up with some kind of evidence and an argument for how that evidence comes together. Here's another bit related to the use of French stummels by English makers, a 1906 interview with a Mr. Heinrichs, a director of BBB, kindly provided to me by Jon Guss:

There is a lot of evidential material available.

 

[sablebrush52]

Over 1600 Dunhills.

 

[warren]

This thread is most entertaining read from bottom to top, newest to oldest post.
I enjoyed the written description of the old guy, pint in hand, denigrating the opposition. I suspect one could find his counterpart from another company doing just the same after a pint or two. I love pub discussions, little fact and lots of opinion. Then, if things gel as they should, fists fly and the local Garda or Peeler arrives to restore order. Ah, good times. Good times indeed.

 

[dmcmtk]

Then, if things gel as they should, fists fly and the local Garda or Peeler arrives to restore order. Ah, good times. Good times indeed.

:rofl: Ah, good times Warren...good times.

 

[buroak]

Then, if things gel as they should, fists fly and the local Garda or Peeler arrives to restore order. Ah, good times. Good times indeed.

That sounds like the good old days. My closest experience to that came in England during the first half of 2004. A couple of drunk teenage boys (I doubt they were over 16), overly excited by football matches, attempted to start a fight over one of my colleagues' reference to "french fries" instead of "chips".

 

[buroak]

The OP got me thinking about those strange 1970s Dunhill HU shapes.
Dunhill 59 HU from this Pipestud listing.

GBD from Smoker's Haven.

Another GDB from Smoker's Haven.

The evidence is far less clear than in the case of the OP, but the similarities make me wonder. Too bad I cannot get photos from the same angles across the pipes.

 

[owen]

A great read gentlemen.

 

[kenbarnes]

The difference I saw immediately between the two pipes (one Dunhill and one GBD)was the quality (line) of the bend on the mouthpiece, which, in my opinion, is far superior on the Dunhill Pipe.