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odobenus

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Dec 15, 2018
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Hey friends. I'm certain we've all experienced blends that reject every attempt at combustion, or only ignite for tantalizingly brief intervals, despite drying techniques that might be deemed gratuitous in Death Valley.
Just thought I'd take an informal poll here, to see which blends have frustrated you in this regard, and whether you kept trying regardless.
Some blends, of course, don't feel worth the effort. 'Won't stay lit?" you say to the tobacco. "Well damn your eyes." Others are so obviously delicious that they coax you into coming back, again and again, until you've burned off half your tongue and expended approx. 12 gallons of butane in the futile quest.
Ropes, I think, are a bit notorious for this quality, which always makes me think of sailors (or trappers and voyageurs) in decidedly damp conditions. I imagine them laboring for spark after spark until they weep manly tears. Anyway, I kind of expect this sort of intransigence from ropes.
But other blends! Bygod, they try me. I have a fairly bad track record with dark VAs, such as Wessex Campaign Dark Flake and Rattray's Marlin Flake. But I keep at it, drying until the point at which one sideways glance would reduce the flake to its constituent atoms, because I get these waves of how beautiful they'd be if they would only burn.
The one that really torments me, however, is St. James Flake and/or Plug, because it is damned tasty (and I know how devoted its fans are), and because I've never been stymied by an SG blend before, despite their penchant for initial sogginess. The day that I can finally enjoy a bowl (I'd settle for a small bowl!) of St. James with, say, 3 lights instead of 300, and enjoy it with a proportion somewhat better than 40/60 tobacco/butane, I will perform a dance of joy that will embarrass the cows.
The irrational part of me suggests that these might not be matters of chemistry and willpower, but rather metaphysical incompatibility. Something particular to the coordinates I occupy in time/space that allows me to burn other flakes and plugs with wild abandon, but just not St. James.

Opposite sidenote for discussion: Blends that ignite so fast they might appeal to arsonists, or should be strictly regulated in National Forests and other drought-stricken recreation areas. I'm looking at you, Semois, Embarcadero, Smyrna...
 
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workman

Lifer
Jan 5, 2018
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Dark virginias and virginia cavendishes seem to be the worst. Marlin Flake and Dunhill Dark Flake are bad, but the worst I've had are Rattray's Dark Fragrant and Mac Baren's Club Blend. They don't burn. Not at all.
The worst thing about it is that these noncombustibles give tongue bite, so you waste your lighter, your pipe, your tongue and your mental health on the effort while the tobacco rests in pristine condition in your ruined pipe.
In fact I think of them as tobacco mummies. They've undergone some kind of treatment, not to make them smokeable, but to make them last forever in honor of some evil gods who'll smoke them on judgement day or something.
 

odobenus

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Dark virginias and virginia cavendishes seem to be the worst. Marlin Flake and Dunhill Dark Flake are bad, but the worst I've had are Rattray's Dark Fragrant and Mac Baren's Club Blend. They don't burn. Not at all.
The worst thing about it is that these noncombustibles give tongue bite, so you waste your lighter, your pipe, your tongue and your mental health on the effort while the tobacco rests in pristine condition in your ruined pipe.
In fact I think of them as tobacco mummies. They've undergone some kind of treatment, not to make them smokeable, but to make them last forever in honor of some evil gods who'll smoke them on judgement day or something.
Ha! Exactly. I hope the evil gods will enjoy them, at least.
 
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karam

Lifer
Feb 2, 2019
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I had huge frustration with StJames flake until I dried it for 12 hours in Greek summer, after than it was all fine. Ropes, plugs, also fine. I cube cut plugs, and coin cut rope and leave for at least 12 hours. FVPlug was not an issue either, cube cut and let the cubes dry to the point of feeling like pebbles. Check out my frustration with StJF last year: Samuel Gawith St James Flake - An Exercise in Frustration :: Pipe Tobacco Reviews - https://pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/samuel-gawith-st-james-flake-an-exercise-in-frustration.78688/
 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Never had any problem with st. James flake, and I prefer it it on the moist side.
I find most tobacco will light and stay lit a lot better after at least 4 months placed loosely in a jar, with plenty of space around it.
I guess it must be absorbing oxygen during that period.
Don't own a microwave and wouldn't give one house room.
The important part is losing moisture, which gets replaced by oxygen.

In general, I believe with the proper prep, any tobacco can burn just fine. Prep includes drying and forming into right sized bits. (thinking of flake, rope and plug, all of which need tending)
 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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McC's Dark Star, a delicious dark Virginia, was notorious for not lighting easily and not staying lit, requiring endless relights. I solved this with a hand grater and some drying time, and I think a spice grinder or similar small coffee grinder would do the same job. Get the pieces smaller and get the moisture down, and it's a whole new day.
 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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The only two blends I have issue with are SG Full Virginia Flake and Butera Royal Vintage: Dark Stoved.

I have no problems with the Wessex right out of the tin. I just make sure I have enough air in it for it to smoke properly. Once in a while the Wessex will come in a bit wet so I dry it for an hour or so. It is a wrap around flake which can take practice ripping off pieces of flake.
 

karam

Lifer
Feb 2, 2019
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I have problems with GH Dark Flake and 1792 flake until I started cube cutting it.
I still cant keep these as whole flakes alight
That's odd, I smoke Dark Flake (Scented) from the tin without any drying and it burns fine. Needs a lot of relights at the end. 1792, the first time I ordered it the tin got crushed by the post office, and it sat for 1 month in some warehouse before it made it to me. All flakes were at perfect moisture :)

StJames Flake, FV and their plug versions I dry to a crisp, or pebbles and they work perfectly every time.
 

paulfg

Lifer
Feb 21, 2016
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That's odd, I smoke Dark Flake (Scented) from the tin without any drying and it burns fine. Needs a lot of relights at the end. 1792, the first time I ordered it the tin got crushed by the post office, and it sat for 1 month in some warehouse before it made it to me. All flakes were at perfect moisture :)

StJames Flake, FV and their plug versions I dry to a crisp, or pebbles and they work perfectly every time.
Its dark flake Scented i smoke and I find I need to light it about 5 times just to get it to stay alight and then have to stir it at the end and relight several times.thats if I only rub it out a little or try whole flake.

maybe I am not lighting it well to start with,what is your procedure.I worry about overheating the tobacco on the initial light.
 
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karam

Lifer
Feb 2, 2019
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Actually what you describe is exactly the same for me, it needs 4-5 lights to catch but then it stays until 2/3 of the bowl for sure. At the heel it needs almost one light per puff. I found that Bosun burnt a bit better.
 
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