First Crumble Cake

[Chasing Embers]

This was my first, and the floral, spiciness just overwhelmed everything else.

That's the orientals.

 

[Chasing Embers]

I'm finding I like aromatics more that non aros

If you're liking Black Frigate, you've found one non aro to like, possibly even being a Virginia/Oriental fan.

 

[NomadOrb]

What's listed on the tin is what you're supposed to notice. The tin description isn't an ingredients list right? But more what they're advertising.

I guess, but sometimes it'll be just a smidge that we're not supposed to notice.

My point is that the same leaf can taste completely different, or the complexity of it may be lost in a blend so don't alienate yourself to certain blends just because straight perique didn't taste good, or virginia by itself was too boring and so on.

 

[anotherbob]

I guess, but sometimes it'll be just a smidge that we're not supposed to notice.

My point is that the same leaf can taste completely different, or the complexity of it may be lost in a blend so don't alienate yourself to certain blends just because straight perique didn't taste good, or virginia by itself was too boring and so on.

I totally agree with everything you said. Just added in a little thing that people don't realize at first. And another one you'll probably agree with is how each type of leaf has so many different varieties that it strips a bit of the definition out of each term. Heck even with Va from the same plant there are so many different colors depending on how far up or down the stalk that leaf grew. Then how many different strains of brightleaf are there? Too many for one person to know for sure.

 

[NomadOrb]

I totally agree with everything you said. Just added in a little thing that people don't realize at first. And another one you'll probably agree with is how each type of leaf has so many different varieties that it strips a bit of the definition out of each term. Heck even with Va from the same plant there are so many different colors depending on how far up or down the stalk that leaf grew. Then how many different strains of brightleaf are there? Too many for one person to know for sure.

Absolutely, it's also totally worth it, and I enjoy my straight Virginias a great deal.

 

[ksman75]

Good point. I just wanted to state that component leaf is sometime used as something you're not supposed to notice. Like Burley giving body to a blend.

So while they may taste a certain way smoked by themselves, the leaf really starts making magic when mixed with other leaf.

I think this is why I've been relying on reviews so far. Not knowing all the characteristics of each type of leaf puts me somewhat in the dark, but getting the perspective of others is a good starting point.

That's the orientals.

If you're liking Black Frigate, you've found one non aro to like, possibly even being a Virginia/Oriental fan.

I actually liked the spiciness. It's the floral that I found overwhelming.

Saying that BF isn't an aro, has me a bit confused. How can something so "flowery" not be an aromatic?

To the comments on how a particular varietal may not stand out on it's own, but when combined in a "recipe" it may lose it's base quality, and become a distinctive benefit is so true. No different than certain ingredients in food. I hate cumin, but when applied to a recipe, it's the "magic" ingredient.

 

[Sweet Home Alabama]

All this rubbing and stoking of pipes makes me curious if I’m on a smoke forum…??

 

[Chasing Embers]

Saying that BF isn't an aro, has me a bit confused. How can something so "flowery" not be an aromatic?

Orientals can be that way and at one point latakia and Orientals were indeed called aromatic tobaccos but now it is solely the flavored ones that bear that moniker. Rum can be an aromatic when used as a casing, but like many non aromatic Navy blends that use rum, the tobaccos are soaked in rum and pressed and used as an accent rather than a main flavoring. Many like Watch City Slices, Redburn, Blockade Runner, etc. use rum and avoid being aromatics.

 

[ksman75]

Orientals can be that way and at one point latakia and Orientals were indeed called aromatic tobaccos but now it is solely the flavored ones that bear that moniker. Rum can be an aromatic when used as a casing, but like many non aromatic Navy blends that use rum, the tobaccos are soaked in rum and pressed and used as an accent rather than a main flavoring. Many like Watch City Slices, Redburn, Blockade Runner, etc. use rum and avoid being aromatics.

I notice that the BF is called "other". Being so floral, would it be considered a Lakeland essence? From what I've read about Lakelands, that seems to be the common element to them.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Being so floral, would it be considered a Lakeland essence?

Not even in the same ballpark as a lakeland. Those are strong.

 

[ksman75]

Not even in the same ballpark as a lakeland. Those are strong.

I laughed when I read this ?. I'm going to have to reconsider trying a Lakeland, if compared to the BF, they are strong, that puts things in a totally new perspective!

When I tried the BF last night, I let it dry out pretty well. Considering your "passion" for BF, would you recommend it as a morning smoke, or evening?

With those being my only two choices and daytime temps at or over 100°, I don't want to be distracted trying to stay cool while also trying to enjoy, or in this case, get a taste for, an hour long smoke.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Considering your "passion" for BF, would you recommend it as a morning smoke, or evening?

Not personally a rotational smoker, I just smoke whatever I'm in the mood for at the moment and will often go through 8-10 pipefuls per day.