FDA Regulations Killing the Small Man?

[hoosierpipeguy]

The only answer to your question for "rings" is to elect people to the Congress who are intolerant of government agencies, they oversee, promulgating "unnecessary" (a subjective term) regulations. And, that can only be accomplished by knowing how your elected representative and candidates stand with regard to your position. Then voting only for those who meet your criteria. Of course that only works if you are a "one issue" voter. The members here can't even present a united stand on the issue.
I'm pragmatic and see no changes coming in the future. We get the government we elect and smokers, not being "single issue" voters, will simply have to deal with the reality of the situation. No point in losing sleep or expending emotion on a social issue we are on the wrong side of.

Unfortunately for us pipe smokers, this is highly accurate.

 

[brian64]

their argument is that there is no safe level of tobacco consumption.

Yeah, that is now the standardized viewpoint of the "medical establishment"...which is interesting because they do not take that stance on alcohol (or anything else that our generally chronically ill, non-tobacco using population consumes on a regular basis).
But I long ago stopped expecting accuracy or consistency from agenda-driven science.

 

[yuda]

Big business and big government stomping down the little guy. Story as old as time itself. Just gotta think of whag my grandad said. "Hooray for me, F@#k you!". Makes things a little easier.

 

[sablebrush52]

Yeah, that is now the standardized viewpoint of the "medical establishment"...which is interesting because they do not take that stance on alcohol (or anything else that our generally chronically ill, non-tobacco using population consumes on a regular basis).

Wellllllll...
Actually, they do now take that stance regarding alcohol. It's now regarded as toxic to the brain at any amount. All things considered, that might not be beyond the bounds of reason...

 

[mso489]

I like to think, ironically, that nothing is as sturdy as a "bad habit." Maybe pipe smoking will be entirely eradicated in fifteen ears. Or maybe life on Earth will. But I cheerfully doubt it. I'd like to be around to find out. At the rate I smoke, I'd still be opening tins I have today. Or maybe roaches and vultures will be beginning their slow evolutionary climb to their own version of the internet.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Yeah, that is now the standardized viewpoint of the "medical establishment"...which is interesting because they do not take that stance on alcohol (or anything else that our generally chronically ill, non-tobacco using population consumes on a regular basis).

Thats because most of those things make us pliable and more agreeable.

Wellllllll...

Actually, they do now take that stance regarding alcohol.

No action has been taken to remove it from the public eye the way tobacco has been. You still see alcohol ads on television, online, and magazines and is still considered publicly accepted.

 

[brian64]

Wellllllll...

Actually, they do now take that stance regarding alcohol.

There has been some shift in that direction, but it’s still far from the dogmatic, systematic approach to tobacco. Any tobacco use is considered a medical “disorder” but that is still not the case with light to moderate alcohol use...at least not officially. But it may be that it’s only at the beginning of a decades long conditioning of the public toward alcohol cessation just as they’ve already done with tobacco. They know now that they cannot institute prohibition all at once.
It’s also interesting that the FDA has taken on tobacco as it has, when it’s involvement with alcohol regulation is minimal. As I understand it, alcohol is still primarily under the oversight of the treasury dept...which doesn’t make a lot of sense considering that alcohol is consumed in the manner of any other drink, so you would think that it would come under the purview of the FDA before tobacco would.
Most beer and wine for example (I say most because the rules regarding this are murky to say the least) are not required to utilize the standard, mandated food labeling that is required of all other non-alcoholic drinks. So really, God only knows what ingredients are actually in a lot of mass-produced beers.

No action has been taken to remove it from the public eye the way tobacco has been. You still see alcohol ads on television, online, and magazines and is still considered publicly accepted.

Good point. At some point this will probably start being eliminated. What really needs to be eliminated imo, (as it used to be) is advertising of pharmaceutical drugs.

Medical Errors Are Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/medical-errors-are-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

 

[Chasing Embers]

No kidding. You see an ad for a new wonder drug and then six months later you see an ad for the same drug for a class action lawsuit because it killed someone.

 

[sablebrush52]

Any tobacco use is considered a medical “disorder” but that is still not the case with light to moderate alcohol use...at least not officially. But it may be that it’s only at the beginning of a decades long conditioning of the public toward alcohol cessation just as they’ve already done with tobacco.

True, but, a month or so ago there was a news item, the source of which I can't remember at this moment, which detailed findings that ANY amount of alcohol use is now considered toxic. It used to be a given that alcohol in small amounts was beneficial (ahh, those lucky French!) and now that's no longer the case.
Google is your friend:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-08-scientific-safe-alcohol.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alcohol-and-health-no-safe-level-of-drinking-major-new-study-concludes/
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17242720/alcohol-health-risks-facts
http://time.com/5376552/how-much-alcohol-to-drink-study/
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/there-is-a-safe-level-of-alcohol/568531/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/health/alcohol-drinking-health.html
Bottoms up!

 

[Chasing Embers]

They're going to tread softly though unless they've forgotten what happened the last time they banned alcohol.

 

[brian64]

I think all of the doctors, nurses, and government bureaucrats should be the first to give up alcohol.

 

[Chasing Embers]

I think all of the doctors, nurses, and government bureaucrats should be the first to give up alcohol.

:clap:

 

[woodsroad]

Air gap wins.

 

[lordofthepiperings]

Lordofthepiperings: Interesting thoughts, So what better way could we stand up for the little tobacco blenders?

My initial reaction would be to have scientific research done as to how harmful non-inhaling pipe smoking actually is. Present facts. Problem with that today though is very few people actually believe scientific facts these days.
Other than that I guess the only other way to go is to pull on heartstrings and note how they're putting out of business some really amazing American entrepreneurs who are merely chasing the American dream; to make a respectable living doing something they love.

 

[ashdigger]

very few people actually believe scientific facts these days.

In direct correlation to science being bought and sold to the highest bidder.

 

[brian64]

In direct correlation to science being bought and sold to the highest bidder.

:clap: